Skinwalker Ranch Season 7: The Cast Reveals What You Didn’t See

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>> Like a beignet, right?
>> A Those are so good. [laughter] >> They are.
>> Welcome everybody. We’re talking beignetes. We’re talking [laughter] everything but uh ranch stuff. But uh welcome everybody. Sorry for the wait.
Uh Ben will be joining us, I think, here shortly. Um so I’d like to welcome back, as uh Pete calls it, this uh Rogues Gallery. Um, we’ve got Pete Kelsey, we’ve got Chris Roberts, and we got Yan Frankie, uh, from Skinwalker Ranch. And this is, we did this in May, and, uh, in May, we did it. It was two weeks to the day before season 7 was to premiere. So, we had a lot we couldn’t talk about. We had a lot of of rewinding from the past seasons and then observations in general. [snorts] But now, as of last night, episode nine dropped of Skinwalker Ranch, uh, season 7. So, we got plenty to talk about that’s happened this, uh, this season. So, welcome, gentlemen. Glad to have you here. And, uh, you’re all looking good.
>> Thank you.
>> Good to be back.
>> So, let’s let’s do this. Let’s start at episode one. We’ll kind of work our way through this. And with episode one, I’m going to have to uh lean on Chris here because the ceramics popped up in in episode one and some really interesting stuff uh was presented and with the testing with a new I guess type B ceramic >> and some testing that’s going to be coming up. But I’ll let you jump in on what it what stood out to you with the uh the ceramics.
>> Oh, what stood out? Um it was I wanted to bang my head against the wall um after that because um well the

type two or you know the second type we have type E um is fantastic that was found during winter work. So, we kept working through the season. Um, that was found at a depth that I had buckets that were still in the field that didn’t get processed. And so, I was doing winter work and I was like, you know what? I need to do these, sort it this way, flip it around, do it again, do it a third time. I need to look for anything because of the opportunity here at Skinwalker Ranch to be looking for artifacts. You’re not just looking for a few flakes or a few pieces of, you know, Denny’s wear where you’re really possibly rewriting history. So I took it a little further and started pulling out everything that had any potential to not be just sandstone, silt stone, gypsum >> and came upon that one piece and I looked at it under a microscope and I was like that kind of has that glazed pattern on it and it’s a little bit different. Now this mind you this was prior to where in the episodes we got the black light. This is before I even knew that they would fluores. So, it just looked different. It looked similar to the wand, but it was different because it was a little bit darker, a little bit more robust, a little bit denser, but it had qualities that didn’t match anything natural. And that’s what we’re doing at Skinwalker Ranches.
Anything that’s not natural that you don’t know what bucket to put it in, you set it in the other bucket. That means we need to look at this closer. And so, that’s where that ended up. and then it popped with the fluoresing that it was like, well, this is for sure one of those pieces, even though it’s it’s too small to even put on an XRF. Um, we only have one piece of it, but it was found actually from 60 to 90 ft in. So, it was one of the it was like three joints of pipe in and in a bucket that was set aside that was processed in the field, but not laboratory processed yet. And that actually didn’t occur till the cameras were gone to find that piece.
And so it was pretty pretty cool to find that that we have a second type that’s different than all the other pieces of the type A. So it was pretty cool. So that’s that one right there. Um if you want me to go into the testing, we sent it off for thermoluminescence testing.
Um, and it came back that it hasn’t been fired over 500°, which is what you have to have for that to occur. Um, and most ceramics are, unless it’s very low fired, most of them are. So, this indicates that this stuff was actually created different than your traditional ceramics. So, and then also in in those episodes I talked about it being having indications of it of age of of it being older than what you would expect. So if this is some technologically modern ceramic um which it indicates that it is it has what’s called post- depositional accretions on it which are basically like a patina that you get after something’s in the ground. It’s like rock art and patina that you you cut into it. So there’s that and there’s iron oxide, other accretions that are that have developed on this material that take longer than you would expect this stuff being in the ground. Meaning and when I think on the show I said thousands. It could be that it’s very hard to date post- depositional accret post- depositional accretions if you’re not pulling it right out of the ground in situ and seeing what you’re pulling it out of because and this is interesting that it might be a moisture content. You might have manganese or iron right there dripping right onto this material that can create it very fast right in a few hundred years. Um, but if you have very dry stable area, not a lot of water flow, and not a big source of manganese or iron oxide, which is what I’m assuming these materials are, then it takes longer until we get in the mesa and see it right up close, right in situ. We’re staring at it. We don’t know that timeline. So, it can range from 500 years to in the thousands depending on the environment it sits in.
If it’s in an open wet cave, something dripping on it, then that would that would be faster. But anyway, that that’s something that is is a bit of a conundrum that we didn’t get to talk about at the beginning, right, for me because the technology and the evidence are bashing heads together and don’t make a lot of sense. And then with it >> being essentially vitrified, it looks like it has been baked. Um, but it’s been baked differently than something over 500°. So we came away with no answer for thermoluminescence other than we have to go down a different route.
>> So I know when I saw the episode the implication is this thing is old like this is old not like 60 years old or 100 years old. No, 60 60 years old is what you would say something that’s m it’s magnetic. You know, the black light came on later where where interesting about that um which I’ll get I’ll get into that later, but it’s old.
It it has what I thought it was at first when I saw it. I was like, well, this is this is just showing the temper, you know, and then I actually remember saying to Eric going, “Eric, there’s no temper on the inside of this material.
It’s like where the temper should be where there’s these pockets. They’re empty voids, meaning vitrified almost like it was boiled, uh, you know, cooked and and made bubbles inside. And the and the temper only on the outside was my first analysis as it being a traditional ceramic. But unlike the the Fremont or any other ceramic you have where you can see the temper that’s added in, um, you couldn’t see anything on the inside.
Just a couple little inclusions. Then I started looking more on the outside and I was going well this is actually a post deposition you had erosion where it creates cavities and then you have a buildup of the accretion on the outside and so it’s that timeline that defines it but you can’t put your numbers of what that is without being in the mesa but you can you can do a very conservative conservative estimate that it appears to be much older than modern technology that could make this material.
That’s kind of how I can say it until we really get some numbers. The data is showing that yes, it could be it could be extremely old.
>> And how about where it was found? I mean, >> well, yeah, you take that when it’s underneath, which you guys have >> millions and millions of years of sedimentary rock. I mean, that >> Yes.
>> What? That’s that’s under 50 million year old strata of now that everybody’s seen us boring down in we’re getting that strategraphy of sandstone, silt stone, mudstone, we’re seeing it. It’s coming out. We have it set aside to look at which is really great to see what our profile is that we’re going into the mesa. And there it really isn’t the allowance for something to be like that that old or young within the mesa.
>> Yeah.
>> You know, and and as we’ve seen other materials come out, it it’s very [snorts] >> confusing. Um and yeah, I’ve got to sit with some of these things and be like, I can’t talk to anybody about it, [laughter] but this is very confusing. Um, when you have things butting heads, >> the data butts heads all the time.
>> And and I know we can’t divulge things we haven’t seen yet past episode 9, but is there more testing results that’ll come back before the season’s up?
>> Yes. I mean, that that’s one of my main thing was test this, test that. So, yes, there’s other testing that’ll be happening on different things that are found. Um, as you’ll see, I think they did a I think they did a preview actually for episode 10. Yeah. And I think it showed some of those those that testing going on. Didn’t say show what it was, but you could see we’re we’re doing some testing on some materials.
>> Cool.
>> Um, that show some very interesting things. So, it gives us other other avenues to uh pursue.
>> Yeah. So, >> well, it seems like the theme that I was picking up at least up and we’ll talk about the last episode and leading into what I am hoping to see after that. But it it the mesa, the bubble, and the boundaries, right? It’s it’s uh two two main focuses early on. And um the the drilling it’s the drilling down with the 4ft bores bore holes and trying those. And then Yan, well, they they erected the towers, right? The the those towers were new this season, right? The uh 30-foot towers in the triangle.
>> Those are new. And then Yan, I know you uh came in and did your sled pull for like the 600t bore hole. How was >> What did you find interesting about that? What stood out to you there?
Well, you know, again, [laughter] being in Canada, I actually have no idea what we’ve already broadcast, and I never know the order of what gets uh shown on the show, but I will tell you that the challenge that we have there, aside from just equipment malfunctions, is that we’re getting so much interference that some of the radar plots and some of the radar devices are almost um useless. I’m going to go as far as to say that because as I explained on a on another podcast the other week, it was, you know, the concept of radar, it’s it’s not just a ping. It is a ping, but you know, we’ve got all this natural noise.
The noise comes from, well, all the RF equipment on the film crew themselves have wireless things going everywhere which impact my instrumentation.
Obviously, there’s natural noise.
There’s all sorts of cell phones. Even the oil field guys are doing long range communications that could be in my radar frequency range. And of course, there’s cosmic noise from cosmic um uh emissions that are in the radar range. So, when we’re trying to see deep into the mesa, we are inundated with so much interference. Now, that’s okay. We have ways around that. And a simple way to explain that is that um the analogy that I’ll use is imagine you know you and I James we’re at a party and and between us there’s a whole group of people talking and there’s dishes clanging all sorts of noise right and you’re trying to tell me something. So the analogy that I use is say okay rather than you saying a word like hello, right? Because the risk is that other people are saying hello all the time in this party and I can’t tell who’s saying hello to me. So, what I could get you to do then to get around all that noise is say hello at a constant rate, at a repeated rate that I know the period of your saying that. And I can record that on my phone app and then together I can stack I can add all those hello together and the background noise will drift down to zero because they’re not coherent. They’re not adding together. And your word hello will come up, right? And that’s how radar works.
That’s how all radar works to get around this noise. What’s happening in the mesa is something is also saying hello >> when I say hello or when you say hello rather and you want to you know have me listen to it when the transmitter transmits um and I don’t know if it’s a call in response. I don’t know if it’s just naturally occurring but there is other things saying hello at the same time. So now the poor radar doesn’t know how to discriminate between your hello and whatever the hell else everything’s going on, right? So the the resultant data gets a bit garbled. So we got to figure out a way around that and try to outsmart this whatever it is. I’m not going to go as far as you know intelligence response but whatever is interfering in a coherent way in the same frequency range in a similar pulse pattern as the radar we need to figure out a way around that and um out of desperation actually out of desperation last season well I guess last year when we were filming it um I came up with a way around it um which I don’t know if I’ve actually deployed it yet or or it’s has gone in the hole. I don’t know where we are in the show. I don’t actually watch the show.
>> I think you have.
>> Yeah, you have.
>> I think you have.
>> But I haven’t talked about the results.
>> This is the the radar.
>> Yeah.
>> The different radar down the different radar that you were um making differently. Yes. You just did in this last episode >> and you’re talking about the results now >> like like in this last episode. So, I think you can speak to uh there being a couple different things uh 290 ft down in >> Oh, okay. Good to know. Uh okay. Um Okay. I’m I’m not actually Okay. Because there there were a couple runs there. So So the way we got around this is simply it’s not simply it’s called a noise modulation technique. And rather than just saying the word hello, we say an entire sentence, right? And the hope is that whatever is saying hello back is not smart enough to know the exact sentence because only I know the sentence. Okay? In fact, I don’t know the sentence. I forgot it. But whatever.
[laughter] It’s a it’s a coded transmission and we only listen to that code coming back. Everything else gets basically rejected. Right? So come on.
What are the chances that somebody else in the party is saying the exact same sentence? Highly unlikely. So it makes the radar a little bit more complicated.
But we actually now start getting some responses from the mesa. And I’m not going to go as far as to say uh to comment because I’m not sure exactly which responses we’re talking about.
We’ve run this tool a few times down those holes. Uh but I will say that it’s very very interesting. Um it is not simply uh sandstone or layered sandstone as we would expect from the basin that’s 65 million years old. there are targets that are very clear that are reflecting the radar energy. Okay. So then we ask well wait what reflects radar energy and don’t want to get into the physics here but it’s something called dialectrics.
Well what’s dialectrics? It’s one of two things. Either a tremendous increase in moisture. So in other words a void that might have either air which is a change in moisture or water which would be a big one or it could be some sort of metal right? whatever metal that is because metal acts as a kind of an infinite dialectric. So we get no penetration through metal. It bounces everything back. That’s how radar works.
Okay. So whatever we saw bounced a lot of energy back at certain points down the hole. Hm. [clears throat] Well, that’s interesting because in a stratified sequence of sandstone, one would not expect to see anything that anomalous in metallic content.
What is it? No clue. Could be a cheeseburger. I don’t know. But there are certainly targets within that mason.
And one of the challenges we have with borehole radar is that we don’t know the direction, right? We know how far down the hole. We t know how far away from the hole, but it could be anywhere within a donutshaped radius. We don’t know that.
Um, but it’s really really interesting.
Just from a geological standpoint, doesn’t make sense.
None of it makes sense. Um, and [clears throat] you said something about call and response. Of course not. If it made sense, we’d have one season. That’s right. It’d >> be over. Um, and I was going to ask Pete, >> it’d be over.
>> Pete something on this because I know Pete, you had this uh GPS reading that it should have been I think it was like 200 feet, right? flying at 200 feet and then it just goes up for an extended period of time and goes down. There’s no reason for the baseline to go up. And I know also with the frequencies that if a new frequency is introduced as far as generated from the team, then a uh it mimics like the next time around or even that same session the the frequency whatever it is is mimicked back. Um, does that Let’s Let’s go to Pete on on the GPS anomalies he found early on in the season and that and and see if any of that correlates with uh with any mimicking or would that even affect GPS?
>> Well, I guess the shortest answer is I I don’t know. I I would imagine because it’s >> it’s basically RF. I mean it it sure it must be feasible.
Um and I think that that the the discrepancy you’re talking about was from the helicopter. Right.
>> Right.
>> We were we were flying at 200 ft and then Yeah. the GPS tracker was does quite frankly now what I’ve come to expect which is you’re not where you think you are.
>> Right. And that, you know, we’ve talked about that a lot, but it, let’s just say it remains frustrating.
Um, it remains for me top of mind cuz, you know, we see it Jon seen it in his gear or my gear. I mean, everybody who comes and has to deal with GPS is saying, “Why does it think I’m 5,000 feet underground or or whatever it happens to be?” Um, >> well, do you you know, I don’t I don’t think it ever was going to air, but you’ll recall that we both had the exact same amid, you know, pretty good survey quality GPS’s. We’re standing side by side. And how far were were we? Like 18 feet apart.
>> I had forgotten that, but you’re right.
Yeah.
>> I don’t know if we were supposed to talk. Whoops. I just said it, but I I don’t think it’s ever going to air anyway. [laughter] It was one of those embarrassing moments that both Pete and I rely our professions on knowing where the heck we are. We’re literally standing shoulder-to-shoulder and the bloody things are saying it was something like six meters or something.
It was it was quite substantial and we’re like uh how is this possible?
>> So you’re standing shouldertosh shoulder and it’s it it said you’re at different elevations.
>> No, no, no. We’re laterally uh like horizontally about 18 feet apart. We’re not 18 ft apart. We’re 8 in apart. Yeah, >> when we did the Falcon when we flew the Falcon on the ranch, we was using the Marshall GPS and it was saying while we were just standing there that we were jumping up in the air and bouncing all around and then when the Falcon flew, it said the bird went through the mesa. So even the And that’s the GPS system that Marshall attaches to military drones because if you use an EMP to knock out a drone, this this brand will still work.
And it was it was saying we were jumping up and bouncing and going underground when we were just standing there. So that GPS was doing a similar thing.
>> And it’s I mean I don’t want to over I don’t want to overstate anything but this is serious business, right?
If GPS doesn’t work, you know the the implications for that in commercial air travel. Oh, >> you know, all the aircraft flying over the ranch don’t know where they are.
That could end in disaster. So, you know, I’ve I’ve been wondering how come our phones aren’t ringing and and then and then my mind will jump to, well, no wonder the federal government funded something here, you know, 20, 30 years ago because if you can spoof GPS, you know, you need to know how, who, why, you know, I don’t mean to go all conspiracy theory, but it it it’s if if for no other reason than because We keep seeing it. I mean, you saw it again. I I can’t remember what episode.
It’s It’s this season where the terrestrial laser scanner, which hasn’t moved, you know, there’s an 80 foot discrepancy >> vertically >> between scan positions. And that’s that’s crazy. Especially like again I don’t want to go Jan and I use RTK GPS survey grade which if tied to a base station or a publicly available forgive the alphabet soup end caster we can get centimeter stuff.
So whether it’s Yan saying we’re shouldertosh shoulder but the gear thinks we’re 20 feet apart or the TLS thinks it’s 80 feet apart.
Anyway, I’ll leave it there. It just it freaks me out when I think about the ramifications of this far beyond, you know, our our project here.
>> Um what Okay. And and as we move into a little more further in the season, one of the things that struck me that I thought was really interesting, and anyone in the panel can jump in on this, and just so the viewers know, we’ll we’ll kind of walk through some of this stuff and then we’ll we’ll start taking some questions, but um was the helite and the smoke to where I just thought it was cool because it’s broad daylight and there’s something about witnessing uh the anomalous stuff in broad daylight that drives it home more for me. Like seeing the um the helite physically bump up against a boundary that’s the same boundary that you’ve kind of outlined as the bubble and blowing smoke and having the smoke hit an invisible wall and either go up or down. There’s a barrier there and you guys were there. Let’s let’s hear your comment on that. What what were your thoughts around that?
Who here wishes all we did was shoot during broad daylight? [laughter] >> Those 3 and 4 a.m. shoots.
>> Yeah.
>> And anyway, I I don’t mean to make light of it. It’s uh um we have [snorts] something repeatable in the data that suggests I don’t even what the word is feature structure the data suggests there’s something there um and you know as the team double down on that I think it’s fair to say yeah >> given that you know I watched that on the screen. I wasn’t there when it happened. Uh that was very interesting on the smoke and I would like to see that repeated again to get some more data on that. But I thought it was very compelling how it did what it did especially in such winds.
>> Very interesting.
>> Well, and we see that happen again and again and again. Even there’s a lot of footage. Anytime we map out a grid with the drones, if it goes in or out of that bubble zone, it it’s like it runs into it. I’ve watched it myself and it’s just like we’re and it stops and it has to kind of recalibrate. So regardless of the test, regardless if it ends up on the episode, this is repeatable. We keep seeing this season after season with multiple types of experiments.
>> Yeah. Um speaking of drones, uh some of you are out there for the drone experiments. Anyone want to chime in on on their thoughts around the drone experiments?
>> [clears throat] >> other than GPS.
>> Yeah. [laughter] >> Oh my god. And by the way, they use RTK gear as well.
>> Um, so, you know, like in one of the episodes, you know, the drones landed, you know, maybe a foot off their takeoff pad.
You know, if we were using the GPS and our phones, you know, that’s plus or minus 3 or 4 meters. But they’re using RTK. It should be centimeter. So when you see a bust that on TV only looks like a foot, you know, I’ll speak for Yan. You know, the folks like me who use RTK are going, “What?” [laughter] >> You know, here we go again.
Um other than that, uh stay tuned.
>> Yeah. Okay.
>> Stay tuned. Um, man, the uh, one of one of the things I did want to get into too that that’s near and dear to my heart for a number of reasons is some years back me and some knuckleheads that had some film experience did some uh, documentaries, investigations in like places like the Conjuring House or Native American homelands in the Midwest, the swamps of Florida, uh, Experiencers that had wild stuff going on. And one of the experiments we tried to do was the Homestead experiment where we had a laser grid and we brought a fog machine. And this wasn’t prompted by this wasn’t my idea. This was the person who was a lifetime experiencer. And I could spend an hour and a half telling you the family what they experienced.
And some of it’s so far out, so far-fetched, so skinwalker-ish because it’s not UFOs and aliens. It’s all this high stranges in between. He’s the one that recommended they like I I He said, “If I get an image of them, they kill my cell phone.” And he opened up a wall, a tough industrial size bin of dead cell phones.
This guy even had a taser. He said, “I tase myself if I hear them that they’re coming.” so I don’t get taken. And he said, “They figured that out and cooked the taser.” So, look, believe it or not, we’re like, “Okay, well, we’re here for three days. Let’s film it.” And we didn’t get the results you got in in the homestead, but again, we’re a bunch of knuckleheads using like Amazon.com grade experiment equipment, you know what I mean? we don’t have the uh we didn’t have access to the the level of uh equipment you had. But I’ve been itching for experiments in the homestead. And lo and behold, uh the homestead delivered some pretty weird stuff. And you were there doing a LAR scan, I know, after some high stranges.
But uh let’s talk a little bit about the homestead. The homesteads, plural, two of them.
>> I feel like I’m talking too much.
Anybody else? [laughter] >> No.
>> You were the one that was there. I wish I had been there and I wasn’t there for it. So, I can only speak as a fan of what was going on.
>> Very interesting.
>> Yeah, it it it’s well, I guess my 30,000 foot view of the homesteads are those are the places that creep me out personally. Okay. Um, there’s just something I can’t reason reasonably explain it.
Just it’s just we’re going to the homestead. Okay.
Something weird’s going to happen. Okay, cool.
>> Um, >> and they almost always do. Weird things happen when the team is working there.
Um, and you know, the other night what aired was no exception. Um, I thought it was a well crafted, if that’s the right word, experiment, you know, fog, lasers, even even, you know, the recording of uh the shaman’s uh whistle.
>> Yeah.
>> I mean, that’s that’s that’s good stuff.
Um um because there’s a visual element, there’s an acoustic element, there’s you know the LAR. It just I um if that’s lost in anybody listening, I mean a lot of thought goes into um the experiments themselves. Um I I think it actually I think in the show you hear me say I think Travis says, “Are you seeing what I’m seeing?” because I’m in there. And I said, “No, I I can’t see anything.” And I think he and Jim are freaking out on the monitor, but there’s only about 30 yards between us.
>> Um, and then my they I’m chatting away with them on a walkie-talkie and they can’t hear me.
>> Yeah.
>> I mean, I I don’t know where to go with that. It’s a They are They are spooky. Um and um I don’t know, I guess selfishly, you know, in my humble opinion, deserve more attention.
>> That’s I hope they get them.
>> Yeah, that and I’ll I’ll do this as a kind of an overall observation and the panel can talk about and we’ll start getting to some questions. I know people are itchy. Um, it feels like to me like when Yan scans the Mesa and there’s something there. And I know he he redid the scan, came back on like a two or three day turnaround, um, and verified, okay, it’s there still. Now, the we we should have hit it when we’re doing the bore holes, but we we didn’t hit it. Um, but he verified the object’s still there and that merits more drilling. That that validates further investigation with the bubble uh and and the the boundaries clearly being broad daylight. There’s there’s a boundary here, the triangle with the drones and the rockets being deflected at the same spot at the same, you know, where the the blob is. um those all merit and further uh more investigation.
It almost feels like you could pick an area of the ranch with the homesteads and if you focused that much on it that would bring a whole you know there’s a whole season’s worth of okay that this happened now we’ll go back and it merits further investigation. Let’s try this and we learn this. Okay, now that we learned that, let’s try this, which is how you’ve progressed with the mesa, which how you progressed with the bubble, with uh the triangle. So, I I’m anxious to see where that goes. Um uh Ben, welcome. We haven’t talked to Ben yet.
>> Technical difficulties getting on board.
>> No, welcome, my friend. Always good to see you. So, let’s do this. We we’ll get some people’s questions here in a second, but one question I I’ll start with with you, Ben, that carried over from the last uh I believe the last one we did of these with the round table and somebody had asked given the skinw or the the ranch’s rules of decomposition which don’t match anyone anywhere else in the world’s rules of decomposition. They asked, “Have you ever considered or have you ever tried with the rules of decomposition on the ranch loosely saying anything canine and larger will decomposed? Any canine and smaller doesn’t. Have you brought anything that was freshly deceased that died off the ranch and brought it on the ranch to see if it would decompose?” And those rules hold hold uh the same.
>> Yes. Um and Yeah. So, and it’s not but just to specify. So, it’s not K9 specific. It’s roughly the size of a coyote to a kind of getting into a deer range. Anything that size or smaller doesn’t seem to decompose. The big things do, but there’s still different rules that are scattershot, you know, like the death pose with the cow, the dinosaur death pose and stuff. But, yes, we have I’ve been pitching it for years and every time they keep saying, “Well, hey, yeah, let’s do it uh we’ll do it this season on the show.” And I’m like, “Okay, well, I I I just want answers. I don’t care. Like, I don’t care when you do it if it’s on or off camera.” And so, finally this year, I I won’t give a lot of deals, but yes, we are. We’ve got some um on we have some samples on the ranch right now with cameras on them, and we are monitoring them. And results have been interesting so far. Can’t give a lot of details yet. Um and they might incorporate that into the show. They might not. If they do, then we’ll just say, “Hey, we’ll talk about it later.” And if they don’t, Brandon’s usually pretty good about it. If it’s something like that, that’s pretty benign. It’s not a technological advancement, it’s not a national security issue. So, uh, Brandon’s usually pretty good. If if we ask, if it’s not on the show, we should be able to get the results. But yes, that is something that finally prefilming we’re we were able to get that started this year already. It’s already underway.
>> Nice. Nice. So, uh, and I didn’t get the viewers. I had their username written down last time, but whoever you are out there, they heard you and they heard you. Um, so let’s do this. I’ll ask the viewers if they want to start typing in questions. There’s a lot of chatter of them chatting with each other. Um, >> okay. All right. Oh, my producer sent me a few good ones. All right. Well, let’s let’s take a look see. All right. Hey, I’ve got a question for Ben.
>> Oh, yeah. Bring it.
>> While you’re while you’re lining them up, it’s like, is it just me, Ben? I mean, it What has it been a year now? I I forget that the data came back suggesting that the thing pulled out of the stream was a direwolf.
>> Uh, well, yeah. So it >> why why isn’t that why haven’t we been assaulted by professionals saying we’re all crackpots? Why hasn’t the media parachuted into the ranch saying you found an extinct animal that’s been gone 12,000 years? I mean that’s my what what >> yeah that I I don’t know. Same thing with the with the jaguar. I don’t know why regular media it’s like even if it is just there is a Jaguar in the Uenta basin. You would think that alone would be sensational enough that regular news would be like oh you know Jaguar site it’s like isn’t that still pretty noteworthy. I don’t know why they’re not picking it up. But yeah I mean it’s like that that DNA is pretty cra I do get people asking all the time saying you know Colossal did your tests or did Colossal Bioscience. They’re the ones who are making dire wolves. Did they use the DNA from that? And at least according to the data they gave us, they’re saying no. They already had samples um from elsewhere. Oh.
>> Oh.
>> Uhoh.
>> We [laughter] lost it.
>> It was the people from those people from Colossal from Colossal Labs like shut it [laughter] coming down.
>> Shut it.
>> Well, he’ll be back, I’m sure. We’ll um uh we’ll ask a few questions and then I’ve got some more stuff for Yan and Chris and Pete that that I want to get to. So, uh here’s a question. Without knowing anything about lights, could you use black lights like you do the lasers?
I don’t even know if that question makes sense is what the viewer asks.
>> Using black lights like lasers.
>> Okay. Black by definition is an absence of light. So, are you talking like long wavelength ultraviolet ultraviolet light? It’s not really black, but in the entertainment industry, it’s called black light, but it’s actually ultraviolet light. Could you use that?
Um, well, yeah, but it’s kind of counterintuitive, right? Because if there is a an anomaly that’s causing a refraction or reflection of terraertz wavelengths, then why would we want to lower resolution of that? Wouldn’t we want an infrared or very high frequency?
So, we would go um I well I I guess you could, but but I would think that the laser would be a better tool to to interact with an anomaly rather than a longwavelength ultraviolet light. That would be my intuitive guess. But there’s no reason you can’t use a uh an ultraviolet light. The only risk there is you can’t columnate it which means it is simply a bulb. It goes in all directions just like a lighthouse, right? The laser um is a different type of light. It’s columnated. So it is it is very very obviously very directional and that gives us some indication of angular and we can measure the energy coming back. Whereas when you just turn on a light that doesn’t really tell us anything. We can’t time signals. Lasers we can. So, um I see the point. I I think the laser is probably still the way to go. U we experiment with different wavelengths of of lasers.
That’s for certain. There’s all different types of layers. There’s greens and reds and all different uh energy levels with those. So, that can be experimented with.
>> Okay. I hope that that was a that was someone said they love the way you talk by the way, Jan, and the way you explain things was one of the comments on your >> That was a little that was a little bit high level. That wasn’t I tried to aim it for high school level and that was a the word columnate essentially we make a a a column of light there. There we go.
>> See, and we’re learning stuff. That’s what’s important. Even even guys like me can learn.
>> That’s why I’m here.
>> Okay. So, uh let me move on to another question. Do they plan to ever use microwaves or EMP on the anomaly above the triangle?
>> Well, it’s like I don’t know. [laughter] an electromagnetic pulse. Wouldn’t that like level [snorts] Utah?
I mean, >> yeah. I mean, okay. So, firstly, there’s legal limitations. You can’t actually make an EMP device. It is outside of FCC regulations and and even if we had special permission to do so. The problem with an EMP device by definition is that it it can be very disruptive to electronics. Um, so for example, if somebody was to put an EMP device and, you know, set it off outside the stock exchange in Wall Street, that would be very, very bad and it would fry circuit boards very easily. So, setting off something that’s that destructive around a bunch of very expensive camera equipment and measurement equipment that you can’t control the the um, you know, that expanding wavefield of EMP. I don’t know if that’s the smartest tool. That’s like saying, “Hey, are we planning to use a small thermonuclear device on the ranch?” Um, well, that’s one way of getting in there. Probably not something I want to be around for, but so falls down on us. You’re like, “There you go.” I mean, it is one way of getting to the the mea, but probably not the smartest. Um, in terms of microwave, well, what does microwave mean? It simply means uh electromagnetic radiation in the microwave range, what we call the microwave range, is above about 1.2 gigahertz. And we already know that we have some sort of weird energy that’s coming out of the ranch in that range. So we are in the microwave range.
Um and as you start getting into the two gigahertz range, 2.4 gigahertz, that literally is like a microwave oven. So the energy doesn’t actually go very far in that case, right? um the the higher the frequency, the less energy actually goes out into the air. So, I don’t know if we’d have enough penetration. Could we broadcast microwave from a drone, for example, and see if anything bounces back? That’s something that Pete could do.
M.
>> So, um, uh, yes, I would love to see a, uh, a swept frequency radar essentially that starts at, say, 900 MHz all the way up to 3 gigahertz and mounted on a drone that just flies back and forth in and out of the bubble to see if we get any weird returns at all. And do it for well, either that or launch a balloon and keep it up there for a week and see if anything ever occurs. Because the problem here is that we’re dealing with some a phenomena we don’t know how to describe. It’s like I feel the ranch is like having bonabo monkeys and you’re trying to explain a filibuster in the US Congress. Like how the hell would you even begin? You know, that’s like us trying to understand this this ranch.
We’re just we don’t we’re not on the same wavelength. We don’t understand what the hell is going on where we’re trying to put it in monkey brain. So there’s a challenge there. But I would love to see more what we call longitudinal studies which means how do we know the phenomena is there 24/7 you know every second of the day it might come and go and and if we had more permanent I mean you know monthsl long studies that would be really interesting and the instrumentation is not expensive or complicated to mount that for months and months at a time shoot a radar out at the edge of the the the bubble and see I don’t know on August 15th if it suddenly returns something that shouldn’t return, right? Just because it didn’t happen today or this moment while we’re filming doesn’t mean there’s not a phenomenon there.
>> No, good point. And then that leads into I’m going to pick this next question and it’s a round robin one so each of you can can uh give an answer to it and and uh Yan just gave a good answer I think from what he’d like to see. What is a test that each of you would like to run that hasn’t been tried yet? and whoever can go and we’ll go around the block here.
>> Chris, >> ah, thanks. Um, [laughter] you know, we we were just talking about this. Ben and I were on the ranch um and we were out at the homesteads and it correlates a little bit with what you guys are talking about more experiences there and there were um experiments that Bigalow had people do that were somewhat pseudo seance >> uh with questions asked sitting in the places in the middle of the night trying to get reactions or answers, photographs, whatever. Um and there was a list of questions that the security guards had to do and I think prior to the security guards doing it, it was other people doing it for years. Um, I would like to do more things like that in the homesteads. I think it would be very interesting experiments to continue on with what they’re doing. Uh, just like everybody saw, but but continue to do that to um, communicate to see what kind of communication you can get. If you’re getting mimicking with signals and you’re getting other things thrown back, what else can we do to throw into the void to see what comes back to communicate? So, I would try everything we could, you know, all at once and just see what see what can happen.
>> Awesome.
Next, >> for me, I got a few. The one is the one we’re already just talked about and that one that one I’ve been sitting on forever. Uh, I really want to set up a blind and day and night. In the daytime, there’s a predator trap where it’s got a device that flips around and kind of looks like a little rabbit and it has a screaming rabbit call. Want to do that in the day with cameras and just see what approaches. And I want to do it at night in a blind with a thermal imaging camera and just see what we can draw out. I it I it sounds stupid, but it seems like some of the biggest predators we’ve seen. I mean, we’ve seen enormous canine tracks and enormous cat tracks, but we’ve been limited in what we’ve caught on game cameras. So, it’s like instead of waiting for them to come by a hightra area, how about we actually go out at night and try to lure them in?
I’ve done a lot of predator baiting before, doing some wildlife photography and stuff, bringing stuff in. They come running. uh you know and if we could get a direwolf or some prehistoric thing that came out on film on thermal imaging camera you know I’ve already got the equipment you know so it’s it would be that’s what I’d really love to do.
>> Nice. Nice. How about you Pete?
>> Uh mine’s sort of in line with uh what Yan was talking about. sort of a long duration um which means not exactly television friendly unfortunately >> um but I would like to set up a robotic total station that’s a surveying theatellite um we have known survey markers permanent set out on the property now um but yan just made me this is literally earliest stream of consciousness.
Uh there are two monuments, permanent monuments set within the bubble. If we could set one on the other side that’s line of sight from the two permanent ones at the triangle robotic total station prisms at one or more permanent monuments outside the bubble and just let that thing cook.
And if there’s a difference in time or distance, that would be that would be astonishing because that gear does not rely on GPS.
It’s laserbased distance.
Um, that would freak me out. I would love to do that. And that could be in the background, right? It could be like, hey, like Eric’s cameras and Sam sensors, they’re on all the time, you know? Well, what did Box X say? We could say, well, what about the laser disysto was one way to think of it. What about the laser disysto setup out at the triangle? So, I’ve been thinking about that and then um we’ve been picking it.
What I’m about to say is I want to know what’s under the Russian olives, the trees, because it is so thick and numb. you know, whether you’re a dire wolf or a jaguar or >> there’s there’s so we Nate and I went in there a few weeks ago and just spent the whole day combing through it. It is creepy and there is so much life in there. It just you feel like you’re being watched whether it’s by something dark and nefarious and, you know, paranormal or whether it’s just actual animals in there. It’s it it was like Jurassic Park. We both looked at each other. We both had guns and we’re like, “Don’t go into the long grass from Jurassic Park 2.” you know, it I mean, we we’ve done almost nothing in there.
>> You pretty much have to crawl in there.
I’ve surveyed a lot of it and it’s not easy, especially to try to follow a straight line through it.
>> It’s not easy.
>> Yeah.
>> So, the the tech that can do this um the term is bare earth LAR.
>> Fly the area with the right laser, and that’s critical.
And then in the post-processing, remove all the trees so you can see the bare earth that’s gotten all kinds of attention. Central America and finding Mayan cities and infrastructure. And so anyway, that’s a >> that’s another one I would love to pick on.
>> Yeah, that execute >> that I was watching um a show on that where that that they discovered ruins in Central America and in the Amazon and what’s the name of that LAR again?
Uh, well, the process it’s bare earth light.
>> That would be cool. That would be really cool. Uh, okay, Chris, we got one for you. Um, the uh the 4ft drilling spots have been kind of selected and moved here and there.
Someone wanted to know if you I guess the practicality of lining up multiple rigs and drilling those 4ft bore holes down let’s say 10 ft apart across the face of the mesa across the distance of the anomaly and drilling down at the same time. What is that practical probable or or a horrible idea and why? practical?
No. Because it’s expensive. Um, >> probable no. Uh, great idea. Yes. Um, you know what what we did up there was a variation of what I wanted to do, which would have been I was going to go with stepped down bores about 16 ft in diameter and then stepping down. And the cost of that was so astronomical that it wasn’t feasible with who we were going to have come in and do that work. So, we got some good windows in there. And as you guys are going to see what that leads to, um, you know, it’s like we’re poking pins in in something to narrow things down. Um, we’re getting really good data. Um, what we have found out is great. Uh, what we found, um, in core core war is what I call it. Uh, at 70 ft. That is targeted to exactly where I thought we might find the metal or ceramic. And that’s where we found the metal uh shavings in there, which >> very interesting. You know, it showed it very very thin. It’s actually slightly flexible, which what metal is flexible like that, but it actually bends. It was very fragile. Very shocked we did find it in there. Um but that is a really interesting targeted area right there.
So, I think we’re getting some great data out um that are going to lead to what our next steps are.
>> Cool. Cool. All right, let’s uh I don’t know who will feel feel this one. Why not use some type of paint or dye to see the actual texture or the structure? And they’re referring to the bubble.
>> Well, that’s the assumption that paint or dye would actually have any effect on it if it’s just an energy field. Go right through it.
>> Yeah.
Yeah, that’s good question. But that didn’t take too long too long to answer. Um, and uh, let me see here. Could the 1.6 gigahertz have anything to do with hydro hydro hydroxal radicals?
Anyone?
>> I couldn’t.
>> No, >> I [laughter] couldn’t even pronounce it.
>> Yes, it could.
>> Right on, man. [laughter] Who said Ben?
Ben. Okay, Ben says it can a viewer.
Thanks for the question. [laughter] Um, well, let’s uh I do I want to pivot back to Chris because I wanted to talk about the metals. I know we talked about the ceramics and moving forward the these metals that came up and you had it looked like two types. the one you brought up that was like you said almost little flat pieces that you you’re saying was flexible and then the others that were flakes metallic flakes correct >> and with I wanted to ask you with the metal that was the the small strip or flake >> did that [clears throat] have was I correct and that had some erosion on it and and can that be tested and is that being tested? it it had some oxides on it. Okay. So, it had on on two different sides with the the metals we’re finding they almost they’re they’re layered, but you have one side that has like iron oxide and one side that has a different type of white oxidation on it. It’s really interesting. And that’s what these thinner metals have. And they’re similar to what they found years ago where they found they found a bunch of them. that fourth bore hole that we just uh went into and got down to 40 ft in that was right above where they found a bucketload of this metal. You know, these the the very thin metal.
>> There’s two types of metal. Then there’s the thicker shrapnel like piece that came out of uh borehole one on a cleanout. Uh so I don’t know exactly the depth into it that it came, but that is a serious piece of heavy metal. um way thicker. Uh iron and aluminum were the main components of it and it was highly uh oxidized as well. Uh it’s not none of this metal that’s coming out is fresh metal. You know, as we actually had when we’re doing these cores, we’re finding fresh metal. We know what it is off the machines and everything. You know, we’re always double-checking that. And if I have a fleck, >> I know or if I think it might have came from the machine, it’s gone. you know, we set it aside and be like, “These are these are the machine flex and they’re very sharp. They’re like shrapnel, but they’re very sharp little pieces, very fresh. You can tell exactly what they are. Sometimes they even have a little paint on them. Um, but you can tell what those are and where they come from on the machine, and we can look at that.
And that was all stuff we were doing that wasn’t ever shown. Um, these other metals are completely different that that couldn’t even come from the machines we’re using. That’s the interesting thing. And that’s where with what we found with the ceramic-l like material, the post- depositional accretion materials, these metals have the same thing. They have an age to them that you can’t, you know, replicate without time.
And that’s that’s what these are showing. So, it’s very interesting.
>> Very interesting.
All right. Uh, Yan, one for you. Uh, based on the data you’ve compiled so far in season 7, are you beginning to form any initial theories about what the anomaly inside the mesa could be functioning as?
>> Nope.
Quite quite honestly, no. The more data that I see, the more um strange responses, anomalous responses that have no geological explanation for, the less and less I know. So the longer I spend at the maya at the at the site, the less I know, >> which >> which is not how science works. It’s it’s it’s reverse, right? But um I’m not learning, you know, I’m not forming any opinions at all because it’s getting more and more confusing.
>> Gotcha. And while >> Well, and even if we do, like even if we do, like I claim to have made these rules that I’ve observed about decomposition, right? That could be wrong. That’s still that’s just based off of what I’m seeing. But that could still be totally off. I mean, the phenomenon could be self-aware enough that it’s messing with us and it’s like, “Oh, you’re starting to have an understanding. Blam, I’m going to throw you a curveball. Blam, I’m It might be just messing with us, toying us along, leading us astray.” It’s entirely possible.
>> And you know what? You you said something there about the phenomena kind of pulling the bait and switch or uh the switcheroo. And uh what’s interesting about that is I know Bigalow, we didn’t have a ton of stuff about what happened with that study, but we do hear a lot about uh the trickster. I was talking with John Alexander. I had him on the show and and was asking him about Skinwalker and he was, you know, he acknowledged the level of sophistication and and experimentation and dedication you have to what what your group is doing versus what they were doing is different. different times, different technologies, but he would explain that once they really honed in on something and thought, “Okay, we’re on to something,” it would it would throw a wrench and it would almost be like, “Hey, look over here.” And it it kind of leads me to to just ask uh Pete and and Yan that do you feel there’s maybe an element of and I know Yan’s hesitant to call it like well I don’t want to speak for you but like the phenomena or an intelligence but do you feel are the more you go are you getting a sense that we’re being messed with?
Mhm.
Well, on the heels of what Yan just said, you know, the more the more work science that happens, the more confused we all wind up, you know, that lends itself to I’ll speak for myself to Yeah.
And I’ve had this conversation over a beer with all the everyone, all these guys about, in fact, I was just chatting with Brandon about it. You know, there’s there’s an element of that. Doesn’t it feel like there’s somebody sitting up on Planet X going, “Watch this. I am going to totally mess with Kelsey and make him freak out.” You know, the puppet master, somebody pulling the strings. And it’s not reasonable. It’s not scientific, but it’s human.
That emotional state, right? So I I will admit that now and again I I wonder about that. Can’t prove it, but sometimes it feels that way.
I’m not going to go as far as to say there’s, you know, an intelligent response to what we’re doing necessarily, but I will say that the more time I spend on the ranch, it just reinforces and you know, people don’t want to hear this, but it’s the human hubris that we know everything and my goodness, we are such babies. Yeah.
>> When it comes to science, right? And I think whatever if there is something intelligent there or whatever it is so many thousands of tens of thousands of years of development ahead of us that we are again it’s it’s like you know a a cat trying to be explain how modern medicine work like how the we’re in two different worlds and we’re scratching at little things on the scratching post trying to understand it and it’s so far ahead of us and we’re using very basic tools that’s all we have and I think it’s very humbling. actually and you know maybe this is not for our generation maybe it’s not for our children’s generation to figure out maybe this is something a thousand years if we don’t blow ourselves up that someone will go oh I know what this is and you know what that’s okay too >> you know I I think that um what has really helped me to kind of deal with this in a reality type of sense uh is what we call the genetics principle when we’re talking about genetics we use phrases like this is the genetic etic motivation. This is what the genes want.
The genes are incentivizing the life form to do this because this is what the genes want. And we all know the genes don’t want that. The genes don’t have a want. They don’t have a desire, but they’re operating in a way that it only makes sense to use that kind of verbiage. Um, so we all across the board in biology, we all know that this is like bull crap to use that kind of verbiage. But we need something. And so that’s why anytime I’m saying, you know, this phenomenon, it wants this or it behaves or acts like a trickster, it doesn’t mean it is. Just like genes act as though they have a desire and a direction and a motivation, it doesn’t mean that they do, but they operate in a way that it appears that way. And so for me, whether or not there is an intelligence behind the ranch, it seems to operate in a way that looks like that. Even if that’s I mean just like memes, you know what memes really are?
It’s based off of genes. Um memes are not real, but they operate with the same motivations that genes do. Memes want to perpetuate and proliferate and pass on, but they don’t really, but they operate like genes do. And in the same thing, genes themselves don’t necessarily really have a motivation, but they act like they do.
>> Wow.
>> Something to think on.
makes me think of uh there’s some you spend enough time at that place and it’s so tempting to speculate, right? Oh my god, it’s so it’s so tempting. And what’s cool about working with these guys is they keep they keep that in check. And probably no one more than Eric because I challenge anyone to name one time when Eric Bard has speculated about anything. He’s so good at that. And I just sort of, you know, watch in awe. It’s like, dude, you have to teach me that because it’s so easy to go off the rails about, you know, pick your subject. To point, you know, the more work we do, the less [ __ ] makes sense. can be really frustrating. [laughter] >> Well, Chris, let let me ask you this to that end from an archaeological standpoint with with these, you know, you did the bore holes and we talked about on the last round table the nickel and the 1.3 million to one chance of pulling that nickel out. Thank you, Yan. Uh gave us those numbers I think real time. Um stuff like that. And also for me when you’re digging down and you’ve got the, you know, Yan scans and you’re digging down and you hit an object that should be there but it’s not there. Does that feel like an element of of the trickster to you, >> Chris?
>> Uh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, it it really could be. We’re pulling actual physical material material, tangible material out of things. They’re they’re pulling the drill bit out and finding it completely shaved off. And we’re we’re only going through sandstone and then we come away with nothing. You know, we go down where we should be right on target. Something should be there and then it’s not there.
you know, is when I think of it, not not in the trickster sense, but in the other sense of like physically, um, it’s something that’s so hard that we’re barely taking a little bit off of it, if that, and and it’s pushing our stuff out of the way. Um, is that what’s going on?
Because it’s it really is a messa of silt stone, sandstone, mudstone. It’s not that hard. You know, it’s come out and I’ve broken it myself, you know, with a sledgehammer. It’s it’s not, you know, it’s not granite in any way. Um, and so it there is a I guess there’s a maybe a trickster sense about it. I do think there is something. Yeah, we’re going to keep hypothesizing of what it could be. You know, what could it could be this or that or this or that and someday we are going to find out what it is. We’re be like, “Oh, that’s what it is.” And maybe we named it, but probably not. You know, it’s something we don’t even understand yet.
>> We just keep labeling it as humans because that’s what we do.
>> Yeah. Right. What about uh someone was interested in the archaeology uh aside from the mesa that you might find you might find anomalous that doesn’t have anything to do with missing targets or pulling nickels out of you know that anything you found on the ranch that you would label as uh different than maybe other archaeology experience you have that you you found on the ranch that isn’t the messa >> uh I would say the anomalous thing about it would be the plethora of archaeology that’s there. Like I’ve said before, the candy land of archaeology because you have from paleo times all the way up to num Fremont in between archaic evidence throughout the ranch and you don’t generally have that. It is a targeted location for people to go to for some reason.
>> And we’re trying to define that. But for some reason, people went there for over 10,000 years. And that’s not generally what you find. You’ll find an archaic site here, a Fremont site here, you know, this habitation over here. And for different reasons, for different um you know, different resources are in that area at a certain time period. But there is literally every time period at the ranch and that’s to me that is very anomalous and that is pointing to something that is very very important um and and leads us to what we’re dealing with you know it’s it’s possibly was going on you know back then and it drew people in.
>> Yeah. And I almost wonder if Yan I think had had touched on it like at this let’s call it an intelligence and and this intelligence if if it’s that advanced it’s a safe bet that it’s thousands if not tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of years beyond uh beyond us in in ways technology and I I almost see like uh ancient peoples being attracted to that area for some reason. And I wonder what that reason was like. How did they entice them? and and and can they change uh the appearance of what’s enticing to us if it’s you know anomalous things it it’s when you have people there and people bring cows and a cow gets mutilated or you see craft those are almost modern constructs of what we want what we associate and identify as that’s that’s aliens. What about back then in ancient times? Was was there something different that that was like the uh the you know cheese that lured the mice in?
So this is something.
>> Well, I mean that’s like that’s like Jacques Valet, right? Yes. Where you’re dealing with angels and angels in the past and then in pre prehistoric time it’s what you might see on rock art of what they what they saw versus modern times versus versus possibly Skinwalker Ranch and where that came from, what they were coming across as to UFOs, you know, where modern. It just changes over time um to fit the time to fit what people are seeing. But they were much more in tune in prehistoric times. They were in nature all the time. Not like us who were cooped up in our apartments and houses and air conditioned trucks all the time. They were in nature 100% of the time. So much different. So I think it would have had a much actually much bigger draw >> to be in that area.
>> Well, let me ask you guys this. I’ve been having conversations with I noticed a common theme with with a number of the guests I’ve had and and one may be um John Alexander as an example to uh Bledsoe Bledso’s daughter um Danny Shehan the the UFO attorney right that’s been looking into this for years they all talk about as they look into this or experience what they experience they put it not in two different terms but They talk a lot about, if I were to boil it down, how ancient people had more consciousness was more uh in inherent and more of a foundational trait in people when they’re living in nature and and kind of constantly um don’t no worldly distractions. It’s just them and nature. And so consciousness be is inherent. And as we’ve lost that and we lose it more and more and even the last 10 years with with Tik Tok with this fast-paced world and that the the effort is we need to get back to consciousness and that is the way to progress and evolve and and he even went as far as to say with studies and these people he’s talked to that who whatever this phenomena is, it wants us to elevate our consciousness before we destroy ourselves. Any any thoughts on that? And I know it’s a little out there, but anybody have thoughts?
>> He’s not wrong. I’ll say he’s not wrong in any way. We need to get more in tune with that. We are all into our little boxes all the time. And that is not what we’re supposed to be doing as humans.
far too technologically advanced and looking in little boxes and trying to be entertained or entertain other people instead of out there in nature like Ben and I were yesterday in 100 degrees sitting at Homestead 2 and three and talking and sweating to death and loving that and living you know and that’s what people need to do everybody needs to do that especially when you look at the you know the messages we’ve talked about before that might come from these entities which are we are one this is one world this is our world take care of it and that technology ology can take care of it, but it’s like we’re all getting so consumed with it, we’re not living anymore. So, I think it actually has huge weight and everyone needs to shift.
>> Well, we’re keeping our minds too busy.
If there is something that does want to connect, contact or help us elevate our level of consciousness. We’re keeping we are so addicted to the dopamine hit of of doom scrolling and what’s next?
What’s next? You can’t even uh get go from your car to your house without listening to something on your phone.
Uh, I mean that is blocking the part that could be open. You know, I I I when I drive to work every day, it’s like half an hour drive and I intentionally, oh, I’m going to turn off my drone, turn off the radio, and just sit with my own thoughts so I can actually clear out and open up to anything, you know, that I need to be thinking about or hearing.
It’s like, if we’re busying our minds that much with technology, we’re not going to connect to those deeper things.
even outside of nature, like even just in your own house. It’s uncomfortable to sit with yourself. Um, but I think we need that time. We used to do it next to a fire and that fire busied your mind in a in a fluid, beautiful way that it just kind of like, oh, it kind of puts you in a trance and then your mind is in a place that resets and thinks and can be open to these deeper connections.
>> Yeah. Fire is the original TV. I was telling my son this just the other day.
I was like, this is what people did every night. They sat around the fire.
That’s where you had chanting and singing and folk songs came from. And on all of that experience was you, your family, your tribe, your village around a fire living, not just being entertained and separated. We’re all separated together.
>> And it it would go out at a reasonable time, too. Like when we go camping today, you’re going to stay up later because it’s novelty. But I mean, it used to be, okay, you’re going to talk, you’re by the fire, you’re cooking, you’re socializing, and you’re going to bed at a reasonable hour. We have artificial sunlight now, and it doesn’t matter. You go to bed at 3:00 a.m. I usually go to bed at 2 a.m. It’s like, oh no, I should be asleep.
>> And the it used to be that just the fire goes out, go to bed. And we’re not doing that now. We’re stretching ourselves.
>> I used this is a random thought. I used to live in Flagstaff, Arizona, which is really close to the Grand Canyon.
>> And I was the guy who would go to the Grand Canyon cuz I I went a lot because we were so close. And I’m the lunatic who would just go sit on a bench [laughter] and you watch thousands of people from every country. It’s a great place. I mean, by all means, go. You hear 20 different languages and throngs of people. And what are they all doing?
They’re taking pictures and selfies and I’m there sitting. It’s like if you just sat down and looked at what was in front of you. Oh my god. Anyway, sorry for the random thought, but I’m >> I’m in tune with these guys.
>> It’s a great experiment. Go to a national park and leave your phone in your pocket and just watch humanity and you’ll you’ll know what I’m talking about. It’s like, “Wow, you’re not even here.” >> I love it. I love it. Uh, hey Yan, I’ve got one for you. You up for it?
>> Sure.
>> Okay. Um, does Yan see anything in the data that could potentially connect what’s happening inside the mesa to the bubble anomaly and its behavior? Are those two mysteries beginning to correlate in your mind?
Uh, no. No. What I’m seeing in the mesa are distinct reflections of the radar energy where there should not geologically be a reflection. So those are distinct anomalies within the mesa.
The bubble anomaly has yet not been has not showed itself to the radar energy itself. So I haven’t, you know, I’m not associated with the bubble anomaly because that’s all other phenomenon that you know the LAR and all sorts of other things and kites and all that. The radar hasn’t had any interaction with the bubble anomaly. So in my opinion right now what the information I have and that could change you know next week um is that they are two separate phenomenon but they could be all the same cause but the radar is is not seeing anything to do with the bubble yet.
>> Okay. All right. I can add on to that just a little bit just as as a teaser for people. I’ve done studying of the archaeology of the site of of Skinwalker Ranch and there’s aspects of the archaeology and the bubble and the mesa that I think do correlate.
>> But that’s a stay tuned. That’s all I can leave that.
>> Love it. Love it. That’s a Keep watching.
Um Ben, let’s see. Someone someone wrote this here. Uh, given the anomalous technical data we’ve seen so far this season, does any of it help you begin to form a theory about some of the biological mysteries on the ranch?
>> Um, every time I try to, it throws me.
Every time I think I start to get a chance to dial it down a little more, it kind of throws me for the loop. Um, I mean, even even something basic like with numbers, uh, we had this huge explosion of small game on the ranch that seemed to correlate with a large predator eating the coyotes. The coyote numbers went down, everything else went up and this year it doesn’t seem that way. This year it seems back to how it was in the earlier years. And I don’t I mean that’s not a big important, but it is it is a bioindicator.
So, I mean, the only thing is just again, the only thing that I kind of think is pretty accurate is, you know, if you’re, you know, small deer or smaller, you’re not going to decompose according to the normal rules. Um, beyond that, I’m not sure. Uh, and with weird cryptids being cited, it seems like in the early days in the Bigalow era, people were seeing things that they equated to things like a velociaptor.
you know, all the stories I’ve been told, the later stuff in the Bigalow era and the early stuff in the Brandon Fugal era seems to be more correlating with Ice Age animals.
>> Um, like the the sightings of Chaplania, castoides, things like that. It’s like, okay, well, these are things that were here 10,000 years ago that you’re describing. I haven’t seen them, but based off of those stories. So, that is a interesting shift. Uh I don’t know what to make of it if I don’t have the data myself, but it the the the phenomenon keeps shifting.
>> Yeah.
>> The goalposts keep moving.
>> Yeah. All right, Pete, here’s one for you. Uh Pete, do you have any theories at this point about what the bubble could actually be or what it could be made of?
So much of the data seems to keep circling back to magnetic anomalies or some type of electromagnetic effect. Can a magnetic field actually alter or displace GPS readings to the degree you’ve been seeing on the ranch?
>> Do I have a theory? Short answer, no. I mean, based on our prior conversation, all I could do is speculate. And as much as I’d love to, I think that does us all a bit of a disservice. It it it winds up being distracting, right? [gasps] Um um could magnetic field I’ll I’ll paraphrase what I think I heard you know affect you know my gear everybody’s gear absolutely absolutely um if it’s high enough and you know there’s evidence of that going way back um I remember my very first visit when I sitting in a chair chatting with Eric and I got dizzy and was passed out.
Um, turns out symptomatically it’s for people like uh MRI technicians who are around high magnetic fields all the time.
You get dizzy, can you know get disoriented, can pass out, metallic taste in the mouth, blah blah blah blah blah. Um, so I’m taking too long to answer, but um, magnetic field, you know, I think maybe I’ll add that on to something we should chase more, especially now that Yan’s on board. We got a geoysicist, you know, let’s let’s break out the magnetometers and go to town >> to try to get to try to put some data behind an answer to that really good question.
>> Thank you.
>> Sure. Let’s just I’m just going to follow that up from a physics standpoint. Um magnetism itself like obviously ionospheric magnetism change and magnetic storms will affect GPS.
There’s it would be a tremendously high magnetic field in a dangerous sense to affect a local GPS reading, but it is theoretically possible. One thing that magnetic fields cannot affect are are the results and the timing of Pete’s LAR. magnetic fields can’t affect photons at all as far as we know. Um, so so yes, I mean there could be a very strong magnetic field, but we would probably also see that in other instrumentation. And we have to remember, not just are we dealing with our instruments that we have on the ranch, but we have probably hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of AV equipment running around all the time.
And and they do have problems all the time. It’s it’s always like the guy stopped for a second. I just lost a feed or whatever. So, they themselves are an experiment without them knowing, right?
We’re kind of watching going, “Huh, that camera is going down a lot this way.” And and god, there’s the amount of time we waste just waiting for some other camera problem or sound dies and you know, they’re they’re running around.
We’re like, “Come on.” Um, that in itself is interesting, right? And that could be magnetic field related.
Absolutely. We don’t show that on camera, but the the cameras themselves are a tool to watch.
>> And thank you for that because last when we did this last time, uh I was getting comments on someone said exactly that.
I’m paraphrasing, but they said, “For all this super high-tech equipment you have that fails, wouldn’t you think that the cameras and AV equipment would fail?” And you just answer trust us. Okay. Oh my god, >> they do. We’d probably film in half the time the cameras worked.
>> Okay, that answered that. Um >> Oh, yeah. and and Ben, somebody had because when I post this, some people will ask questions there and some maybe not in the feed, but somebody asked something for Ben they wanted me to ask and that was about if with animals and we know that animals can be um early detection systems, why don’t we have like chickens or dogs or goats or something besides just the cattle on the ranch? Um we did in the early days uh and that um production team we had the the alpacas that got attacked and it was pretty pretty gruesome and brutal and so the production team um decided to step away from that but I bring birds of prey on the ranch all the time.
>> Uh we’ve used owls as bioindicator species. Uh every time I we bring them around they can hear in spectrums we can’t see and see in spectrums we can’t see. They have three-dimensional hearing. One ear opening is pointed up, one’s down. And they act as though they see invisible things. You bring them on the ranch and they they start like following things in the air. Um, we’d like to do more of that. Uh, every year I always bring it up. I’m like, “Hey, we do this again.” And they just end up never having time to do it. So, uh, this year if it’s not on the show, I’m just going to talk to Brandon and say, “Look, can we still at least document it?” Even if it’s not on the I mean, I just want answers. The show is fun, but the answers are more important to me. I want to know what’s really going on. And so, but yeah. So, sure. So, long and the short of it is they haven’t brought on other things because we had animals get attacked and I brought birds prey on.
I’m training a crested car. It’s the only one in Utah right now and it’s one of the first ones trained. We’re going to try it out and see how it reacts and responds. Uh just had to be careful about it.
>> Okay. Yeah, that’s [clears throat] Ben.
That’s really interesting when you were talking about the spectra of all the animals that you bring on the ranch, right? And again, it reminds us that as feeble humans, not now because I’m old, but you know, when we were born, we could hear from 20 hertz up to 20 kHz. That’s it, >> right? And a bat can hear probably my cat can hear way the hell higher than that. My eyes I mean it’s shitty now but you know I can only see from about 380 to I don’t know 750 nanometers. That’s it. Whereas other animals see so much more. And you wonder huh I wonder what they see when they look at the bubble.
Right.
>> I can’t see. Well, and I mean even even we assume that this world is made for us, but I mean like flowers, if you look at them under a black light and stuff, it’s like they have runways for the pollinators that we don’t see. It’s like, oh, it’s a yellow flower. No, it’s got it’s just like an airplane runway.
Come here to pollinate. And >> or even a crow. When you look at a black crow under UV light, how beautiful it is that we just see it as an ugly black crow, but my goodness, it’s such a gorgeous bird. Yeah. I had no idea.
>> Yep. Whole other world’s going on all around us.
>> Yep.
>> Good stuff. Um Chris, have you tried to melt or freeze any of the metal >> and would that be any kind is is if that is any kind of data they write.
>> No, I have not tried to melt or freeze any of it. Um we would probably want to have it go to a metallergist to do anything with for any of the samples so that we’re not wasting anything. But I I think that would be a fine idea for them to look at different things that way.
>> Nice. Good question, Mandy. Mandy Joe.
Um, uh, let’s see here. I want to get to a few more and then then there’s always the the the question, right, that I get this every time and I’ll I’ll ask that each of you individually after we take a few more questions here. Um, I guess this is a yawn one. Can you give us any idea of the size of the anomaly in the mesa? All we ever see is a flat picture. Can you tell us the depth of the objects? And you may have, but humor humor this uh question.
>> I can’t not accurately. Why?
>> Well, let’s explain why. Right. So, depending on the change in rock type or what we call dialectric, you can see through something with radar. The one thing we can’t see through and we only get a reflection is metal. Metal does not transmit. It does not permit radar to go through it. So, what we’re seeing are some blobs, but the blobs do appear to be metallic, which means I see the surface, but I can’t get through it.
That’s just the laws of physics, right?
So, there’s a couple things we have to consider here in terms of well, how why are we seeing a metal object? Well, there firstly, geologically, there’s no metal object in the mesa, but let’s put aside geology for now and pretend that there’s something metallic in the mesa.
Well, there’s a couple things that have to be happening. The shape of the object needs to be what we call specular, which means rough enough that as the energy hits it, some of that energy goes back in the direction of the antenna. Because if you’ve ever looked at a stealth bomber, it’s very, very angular, weird shapes, right? The reason they do that is if you hit it with radar, it’ll always bounce back in another direction and not come back to your radar, right?
So, it’s harder for the enemy to pick up the stealth bomber. It’s why it’s called a stealth bomber. So, that’s not what we’re seeing. We are seeing something that’s a bit more rounded or or not as angular because some of that energy is indeed coming back to the radar. Having said that, there could be a stealth bomber in the in the mesa theoretically, right? and have all these angular shapes. And heck, if you hit it at the wrong angle and that, you know, hits it that way and bounces off that way, I’m not going to see it over here. Um, and there’s nothing I can do about that. So, there could be more stuff in the mea, the the material I see is I mean, it does appear to be metallic. I don’t want to go this, you know, aside from the physics and the geology that doesn’t match, it does kind of appear to be metallic. Um, but I can’t tell much more than that. I can’t tell you, you know, I know that it extends multiple meters, maybe even 10 meters in places. So, you know, 20, 30 feet in length along the bore hole. Um, but as for how far away from the bore hole it is, I can’t, that would be a complete guess. I don’t have information.
>> Okay, thank you. Good question, actually. Uh, >> really good question.
>> And Christy Hoover asks, I wonder if the government has ever had ranch remote viewed by their teams.
Anybody put the hell put off about that myself?
>> Yeah, >> I’ [laughter] I’ve heard whispers that I believe there has been that.
>> Yes.
>> Well, that’s about all we could probably All you know.
>> None of it released, but that it probably has happened.
>> Well, Christie, that’s a definite maybe.
And maybe probably um >> Sure.
>> Uh let’s uh let’s do this. I I’m going to get to the question that everyone is always itching to ask and and the f a fan favorite as questions and this is for each of you since um we spoke well now that we can comment on some things that happened this season. What is the individually the most anomalous thing that’s happened to you personally either on or off the ranch?
but related to the ranch >> that you believe it’s related to the ranch. Maybe that’s something that never happened before, but you’re like this.
Whether you want to call hitchhiker, there’s all these terms for it, right?
But people always want to know, does things do things happen to you guys on and off the ranch that we don’t see on camera? That’s kind of freaky.
[clears throat] >> Go ahead. [laughter] Uh well, the one that comes to mind fortunately was documented on Beyond Skinwalker Ranch and that was at Miller Ranch. The Highway 350 bridge is the only other place where I’ve seen LAR returns underground.
So my version of that question, you know, have you ever seen this any place else? Only once in 25 plus years.
>> Yeah. that crazy bridge.
>> Yeah. And for context, the Miller Ranch, that’s a a sweet old couple that’s had property there and they’ve had dozens of deaths on this bridge that they really don’t know why. And when Pete measures does readings, there’s there’s GPS readings below ground that he’s only seen at Skinwalker Ranch.
Conversely, when Pete’s inside the house and they he mentions the word, I think let’s look review the LAR. I think that’s what you said, lights start going off in the house. And you hear you hear the uh production crew kind of freaking out a little bit because it doesn’t just happen once. It does happen a few times.
And this this couple’s had everything from his bed shaking to red orbs coming up to his window to cattle mutilation.
So, yeah, another another creepy place.
How about How about you, Ben? I know Ben’s I’ve talked to Ben on the show before individually and he’s had some weird stuff, but uh anything anything you haven’t mentioned yet?
>> Um I’ve got some things that I don’t feel comfortable talking about um kind of personal stuff that’s happened. Um, right. The first time on the ranch. But yeah, things I probably don’t feel comfortable talking about.
How about just throw one you are comfortable talking about?
>> Um, I mean, if I talked to you about what happened at the with the the looking for fireflies story >> you told me, but I want to hear it again. I love that one.
>> Yeah, that one. And I I don’t like talking about this one either because it sounds crazy. Uh, so Tom and Candace said, “Hey, we just found out there could be fireflies at this elevation.
We’ve never seen them.” And I said, “Oh, I want to go outside and see if I can see any. I’ve never seen a firefly.” And so I went outside and I was on the edge right by the on the helicopter pad and I was like two feet from the fence and all of a sudden I turned and about two feet on the other side of the fence. It’s like if somebody was standing next to you in a ghillie suit and then they moved and like have that moment of that.
I have this sensation and what I have in my mind is the outline of two figures and it’s in the back of my mind is like a a silhouette translucent and I was like huh started backing away from it and then I turn away from it and I look almost to the helicopter pad itself and from the grass this blue light about the size of a marble glowing comes out and it was like Tron. it just kind of like starts zigzagging over to me and I was like ah I was trying to pull my phone out trying to get a photo or picture of it and I didn’t wasn’t able to and then it goes back and disappears. It doesn’t go back to the ground, but it disappears. And I went inside and was telling him about it, and I was focused on this glowing thing. And since my other life experiences I’ve had, I think I did see something, but I think before it went to, you know, my after it goes past the optic nerve to be processed, I think that was interrupted. I think I saw something because my only memory is seeing like translucent two translucent figures right there. right right next to me. And I I think that I did see them and then they’re like, “Oh, they scan his mind or however you want to say that.” And it was like, “Hey, look over here, idiot.
You wanted to see fireflies. We’re going to give you a quick on the-fly rendition of a firefly. Wrong color, wrong movements, but look over here.” Like dangling keys in front of an infant to get my mind away from this. Uh, at least that’s kind of how I interpret it. I don’t like sharing it. Um, Eric said he saw me reacting on the camera, but other than that, he didn’t see the glowing thing. So, that means it was in my head, which I don’t like saying that. That sounds crazy, but he saw that me reacting to the whole thing. So, that that one tripped me out.
>> Yeah.
>> About you, Chris.
>> Man, Ben, that does sound crazy.
[laughter] Well, and the thing that really bugs me about it is, you know, because two years ago, you know, my near-death experience, died and came back, right?
>> Coming back from three strokes, which this happened before that happened.
>> Um, there would be things that they weren’t moving, like there was a crane outside of my hospital room and it wouldn’t be moving, right? Red crane right in front of my face and then it would start moving and it would it would just appear in front of me. And that really got me thinking. I’m like, “Oh, the how the brain interprets things can be interrupted.” And when your brain is healing, it can see something right in front of you and your brain wipes it out. A bright red crane right next to my window. How could you not see it? But I’d only see it if it was moving. If it wasn’t there, I had a clear view of the Salt Lake Valley from my hospital of the U of you. It’s like, so the brain can’t be trusted. What we see cannot be trusted. And even your own brain can stitch something out of it that’s there in front of you. So could not an external source through whatever means also do that.
The precedence is at least set from my experience coming back from a stroke for three strokes. Um so could an external source do that? And I think it can.
>> Wow. Wow. I do not have anything like that. I have yet to see an orb or anything anomalous in that way. Mine is anomalous material that I’ve found, you know, coming out of the mesa, whether it’s the nickel, the ceramic like material, the metal, you know, other things to stay tuned about. Um, >> okay.
>> That’s all I can really say about that because I don’t have anything, you know, the the first time I went to the ranch.
I don’t want to go into that story on this on this thing. It’s, you know, I I did it on the cruise and it’ll be on the insiders thing soon. We could maybe do another talk sometime about that. That was probably the most crazy thing. Um, but not seeing anything in the ghillie suit or any orbs or anything like that.
It was more um um tangible in in what it was. It was really really quite striking, you know, that that left us all um kind of beside ourselves.
>> So, >> yeah, >> but I won’t I I won’t go into the details.
>> All right. for for to be continued.
>> You know, I approach and and certainly skinwalkers that, you know, I’m a skeptic. I will always be a skeptic. I’m a scientist. And I went into whatever four or five years ago um the site with had tremendous skepticism that this is just a Hollywood thing that somebody’s come up with some some story that they’re now turning it into a TV show and oh well what the hell I’ll go along.
It’ll be kind of fun, right? And you know the first time out there we had some issues with the GPR and Pete was there and and you know I thought somebody was transmitting. So, weird things started happening, but I don’t know what season this was, and it it obviously never made the show. And I’m not sure if I’m supposed to talk about it, but oh well. Um, so during lunch, we we have what we call the crafty band, which is essentially where we serve lunch. And there used to be a table in there, and we just kind of sit around because it’s air conditioned and it’s really hot outside. So, cast and crew and the film, you know, the camera guys are all sitting around. Anyway, this one time uh lunch was going a bit long and I was sitting at the table on my phone doom scrolling of course and it was Brian and or Dragon and Tom and and you know we’re not even talking to each other. Everybody’s on their phone.
Suddenly Dragon goes, “Oh my god. Oh jeez.” And he’s grabbing the left side of his chest. Right. So my immediate thought is, “Oh crap, the guy’s stroking out and I forgot how to do CPR.” Right?
[ __ ] [laughter] That’s not a good thing. So, I’m like, “Dude, are you okay? What’s going on?” And he’s like, “I I can’t breathe. Oh my god, my chest.
This is Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He’s definitely stroking out. This is not good.” So, I get up to go get the producer or anyone basically. Anybody with any medical help would be great right now. At the same time, Thomas does the same thing. He goes, “Oh my god, my chest. I felt that. Oh, wow.” And I’m going, “What the hell is going on?” on.
So, I did run out and I shouted for, you know, I I don’t even know if we have proper medical support on on the crew, which is a little bit of an issue, [laughter] but you know, the producers came running in and they’re like, “What’s going on? What’s going on?” And somebody said, “You got to get off the ranch.” Right? So, they literally put them in a truck and they drove at high speed out to the intersection on on the highway there, which is all of 10 20 minutes away. Um and and I you know and then of course Travis comes in with his radiation detector and all that but I just thought well that’s really weird right there’s something called fadu in French which means two people can have the same hallucination it has happened before but that’s usually sisters or brothers or people who are really really close these guys were just sitting there having you know doom scrolling on their phone after cooling down after lunch and I just thought man that’s pretty weird and and there’s no reason why they hammed it up for me like I’m just a, you know, one of the extras that come on and do some experiments. That seemed pretty damn legit. And they were gone for the rest of the day. They did. They recovered and everything was okay, but they did not come back to the ranch that day. And I just thought, >> yeah, that was that was anomalous, right?
>> Yeah. And I mean collectively, in fact, I think Pete had mentioned this and and Ben where you each commented and I don’t know if it was when we did a round table or when I was interviewing you individually that, you know, someone got a video of a UFO and it was almost like, yeah, it’s been a long day, man.
We’re, you know, >> yeah, >> almost like it was no big deal. Whereas people that are into the subject that that would live their life to get one glimpse of a UFO and there it’s almost like yeah well we got we’re it’s going to be a late night. Uh okay. And you’re like we’re not going to talk about this.
Uh probably not.
>> Yeah. I just filmed it with my phone because everybody it was it was it was a bajillion degrees and we had been going in the river itself and so that’s a long hot sweaty miserable day and it was way later everybody and you still had to get back over and get gear unloaded and then all the get back to Verno. It’s going to be like another two hours before anybody’s getting to their hotels to shower and everything. And I’m like, you guys look there is, you know, there’s this light just came over and was sitting over. And anytime we say that, if you guys are watching, if you see something on the ranch, it’s usually not I’ve never seen some giant UFO. It’s like a glowing light, very prominent, coming over. It’s distant, but it’s not a satellite or it’s moving erratically, but this came over and Yeah. No. And I’m like, you guys look and should we film?
Yeah, that’s exactly what you said. What happened is everybody was just like, we’re tired. No. Yeah, we see it. Okay, fine. Because everybody was swearing and tired and exhausted. So, I just got like a, you know, 30 second clip of it with my phone so that I at least documented it. Otherwise, you know, at least you have it somewhere.
>> Yeah.
And Pete, I think you indicated something similar, too.
>> Oh, yeah. I’ve uh I think I’ve used the term complacency. It’s, you [clears throat] know, the first orb I saw was in broad daylight. It’s a bright light in the sky and, you know, I’m I’m having an out-of body experience. I’m like, “Oh my god, do you see that?” And Eric’s like taking notes like, “Okay, yep. Got it. Location not moving. Got it.” And I’m like, [laughter] “What?” And then, you know, amongst the four of us and the rest of the guys, we’ve kitted about, you know, I think there’s also some male ego at play here, right? Because you don’t want to be the guy who, you know, [laughter] >> soils himself and everybody else is going, “Oh, yeah, that’s pretty cool.” >> Yeah.
>> Pretty cool. [laughter] >> Yeah. Kelsey lost his cool out there when that UFO passed overhead.
[laughter] >> Exactly.
>> Right. Um well look before before we wrap a couple things. First off for the viewers thank you. There’s we could keep going and going. Um but if if you’ve just tuned in for this round table uh this channel myself I personally feel invested with the skinwalker guys and we’ll continue to bring them on and continue to uh we’re going I’m going out to phenomenon and I’ll be seeing some of these guys. I’m bringing some equipment.
I’m going to be harassing people to go out and do some field work, which will we’ve got a few takers so far, so we’ll be bringing that to you. But subscribe.
I I never say it. It feels cheesy to me, but subscribe, hit all notifications, you’ll see all the skinwalker stuff and the whole library of stuff we have thus far moving forward. And for each of you, I guess we’re at episode 9. Just watched it last night. for the remaining episodes and maybe what comes next. What we’ll just kind of go around and get each of your kind of closing thoughts on what the season uh the impression it’s left on you and what you look forward to for the next season.
>> Chris, you’re smiling. Go for it.
[laughter] >> Go for it, Chris. Jesus.
>> Well, sorry. the I mean the impression what is you know we I I’ve been able to uh it’s almost like therapy getting things out there and people get to see what you actually find instead of having sitting on top of it. So it’s a bit of a release uh that I get to talk about these different things you know just like when I finally >> uh found that the uh ceramic material fluoreses. I’m like this is the coolest thing ever cuz ceramics don’t do this and I couldn’t tell anybody. So it’s just great to be able to express that.
It helps me with my mental state. Um, and going forward, you know, I’m looking forward to uh what everything else is going to show the rest of the season, where we’re going to be at. Everybody can see uh the map that’s drawn out for for what we have going forward. I think it’s building really, really interesting things. Um, and to show the rest of what’s been what’s been discovered. Kind of stay tuned on that, but it’ll see the it’s going to draw the path of what we’re doing next. So excited about that.
>> Awesome.
Who wants to jump in?
>> I’ll I’ll jump in. Um I I’ve said this before. I will keep saying it. I love that the effort is now really investing in science. I mean, look who’s on this call.
>> Yeah.
Chris, Yan, Ben, you know, I’m I’m Sideshow Bob. I fly drones and play with LAR, right? [laughter] That that is huge. Huge. The only way you’re going to bring credibility to a subject matter like this, which is difficult for a lot of people, is with science, with doing the hard work.
And Brandon knows that. I mean, I’ve been out in the field with these guys off season because Brandon smart guy.
He’s like, yeah, the work here is not does not is not dependent on a television show. The television show is just a medium to bring what we can to the public, which is great. It’s unique in its in its effort. So, I love that part. So the segue into to what I hope I hope that continues into the next season, the season after that, it’s like who who else could we bring that’s missing, right?
>> Yeah.
>> What’s the what’s the skill set that we should we should have here? Um that’s just cool to me. Um and keeps it interesting and credible.
>> Very good.
I think for me uh I just love that I’ve seen in this season and plans for the future u broadening the search for what’s going on. Uh I think in the very beginning there was more of that and we’ve kind of focused in but I think that moving forward it’s like keep the focus focused but let’s also broaden out here on the sides and check like doing a lot more at the homesteads you know and checking you know to some of the other stuff we did in the early days bringing back some of that and adding it to what we’re focused on. I’m I’m really excited about that.
Yeah, certainly you know we are applying more and more scientific tools to understand the phenomenon and as of course everybody knows we make no secret about it what actually gets on History Channel is a tiny tiny fraction of what actually happens there right and it’s through the eyes of so many uh so many competing interests or at least somewhat competing interests it it has to be exciting it has to be something that Brandon agrees with it has to be something that Prometheus likes that the history likes that Disney likes and so many of the things that we do behind the scenes don’t get on because they’re a bit more mundane. It’s not something that we can package into a small program on a Tuesday night.
>> Um, but you know, rest assured as the viewers that we do a heck of a lot more and sweat a heck of a lot more than than is seen on TV, right? So, you’re seeing the highlight reel. You’re seeing the Cole’s nose version of what really happens. But what keeps me coming back is that we are, you know, we’re doing the best we can with the technology that we have today and acknowledging that we are little babies in this. Uh we’re doing the best we can to uncover something that is truly amazing and truly uh unexplained. And I and I think you know the the the universe and well not the universe but but humanity today needs more wonder and needs more exploration. And you know, I love doing these podcasts because it gives me the ability to just educate one person a little bit more on how science works, right? And we’re losing that. We’re losing that for Tik Tok and all the other things that are going on in our distracted lives. So, I am excited to see what else they play. I mean, I know we did some cool experiments. I’m guessing that they’re not going to play it, but if they do, that’s super cool.
I, you know, I’ll I’ll see it on Facebook, I guess, or on Reddit. Um, and if if there’s more seasons to come, that’s great. I have a hundred different experiments um that will add real knowledge to our existing body of knowledge of this phenomenon. So, I look forward to the future.
>> Amazing.
>> Hey, if if if I can, James, I apologize, but I I don’t want to get I I don’t want to be I don’t want to leave a critical part of this out. So um I toward I tend to my meter tends more to the scientific side but do I think you know having arty you know a Navajo shaman out to the ranch and our conversations about consciousness I am equally fascinated by that.
Absolutely. Um it’s the historic narrative. Oh my god.
>> Yeah. You know, Chris was touching on that. This, you know, this could go back 10,000 years. Anyway, I I just love science. It’s where I tend to lean. But at this point, as crazy as that place is, I don’t care what the sensor is. A goat, a shaman, a, you know, a harpsacord solo. Let’s do it.
>> Yep.
>> Well, listen. I don’t play harps accord, but uh I’m gonna bring some stuff. And again, I uh I’m excited to to see you all in a couple months out in the basin.
I would I would love to explore even a little bit some of the uh non technical aspects of that area uh with consciousness with some other things um and and do some field investigation like that. But um this has been awesome. This is this is great. We’ll continue to have these as long as uh there’s an appetite for it. And I know there is. I I just speaking for myself, I’ve I always learned something from each of you. And and I know uh the viewers do too. And it’s appreciated because it it breaks down the barrier of TV land to reality of what we’re really dealing with or or could be dealing with. And that’s important. I mean, you guys have dedicated uh it’s changed your lives. uh you’ve each told me that individually and and to make it real uh in in a format like this is is more than I could ask for and I hope hope the viewers I hope you guys appreciate it. So with that we’ll wrap for tonight. Until we see you all again. We’re looking forward to the rest of the season.
Stay tuned.
>> Thank you.
>> Hey thanks.
>> Thank you.