Is Skinwalker Ranch a giant misinformation campaign?
>> If I was a uh black ops off the books kind of government agency, I think that that would be a great way to be able to steer the attention away from what is actually taking place there.
There’s some stuff happening in this area that could be a national security issue.
Every step has changed the narrative or it was controlled the narrative.
>> He put together 22 million blackbudget dollars to fund what became the largest UFO investigation [music] in US history.
>> I’ve produced television for decades. I also know what the pressure is to produce something or put on a good show or you’re not going to get paid.
If there are portals opening up to other worlds, I definitely think there’d be an interest there. Obviously, there’s a security risk with UAPs.
We decided to do basically what’s considered a conjuring ritual. They claim that they saw various entities walk in and out of their home. They constantly felt like they were watched.
>> It comes home with you. He came out of the closet there just fullon gushing [music] blood. That scared me bad enough. I uh I just prefer to uh study the occult now and not get into the practicing aspect of it.
>> UFO community paranormal friends, we have to have a hard conversation today.
Has Skinwalker Ranch become a victim of its own success? Has the media and going mainstream actually hurt a legitimate paranormal investigation? And I know this is a hard thing to think about when right now so many of us want UFO disclosure and transparency. So for nearly 30 years, Skinwalker Ranch has been one of America’s greatest mysteries. Located in northeastern Utah, roughly 512 acres.
Billionaires have bought it. Scientists
investigated it. Pentagon contractors study it. Congress became interested.
Then Hollywood showed up. Now, this seems kind of like a pretty classic timetable of events there. But today, millions know the ranch from television.
But after decades of investigation, are we any closer to finding out the truth?
Or has one of America’s most fascinating mysteries become just another big paranormal brand? Welcome to Unreported.
I am Megan Medic and today we’re asking whether the cameras are actually helping uncover the truth or bury it. Today we have Cody Richardson from the hit podcast Mystery Archives with us. Hi Cody. How are you?
>> Hey uh doing great. How are you?
>> I’m awesome. I am so excited to have you on. Your channel is really spooky Cody.
>> Thanks. [laughter] That’s how I know I’m doing my job. I mean, a lot of these stories are really spooky, so I I guess it’s just my style of presenting them, but I try to kind of cap encapsulate, so to speak, um what a lot of people go through with dealing with the paranormal and just the unexplained in general.
>> Yeah, absolutely. And I was a fan of the channel before, you know, we had talked and or even the show had started. And I had always wanted to kind of reach out to you and see if we could do something, but I had always watched your videos and I’m like, “Oh my gosh, like this stuff is is deep and it is really scary.” And I love that you get into the spooky, but what was it about Skinwalker Ranch that you were like, I got to tackle this topic in particular?
>> Well, first of all, thank you so much cuz I I had no idea, but it always means the world to me to hear that. U with Skinwalker Ranch in particular. So, I mean, as you know, I primarily cover hauntings and uh kind of more so the demonic side of the paranormal, but the paranormal to me is more of an umbrella term, which encompasses a lot of different things. And this story kind of has it all really. I mean, uh, it’s it’s got, as we’ll come to see, it’s got kind of a little bit of everything. And I really think that’s what drew me to it.
>> Yeah. A little bit of everything. Like literally any paranormal thing that you can think of, >> honestly, that’s that’s kind of happened at the ranch. But I feel like with the ranch story, every step has changed the narrative a little bit. or I would even go as far to say who has controlled the narrative a little bit. I’m gonna give a quick outline of of where it’s kind of gone. First we have uh Navajo and local folklore and then we go to the Sherman family which translates into eyewitness accounts and then we have Bigalow coming in the billionaire coming in for with NIDS which is scientists and investigators and then OAP and BASS which is government funded researchers and defense contractors and then now step into today’s day and age where we have Brandon Fugal pushing the narrative controlling the narrative a bit. He’s a private owner and he’s really embraced transparency and that’s with the History Channel and and the big show there. So, the narrative has gone from basically the history of of [laughter] America.
You have indigenous tribes and and nav the Navajo and then all of a sudden you’ve got the History Channel there. Do you think that if the television never showed up, would Skinwalker Ranch be taken more seriously today or would it be forgotten about entirely?
man. Uh that’s that is a loaded question. [laughter] Um no, no, you’re good. Uh personally, I don’t think it would be forgotten about.
I think that it’s a pretty well established um site, so to speak. I do think overall, and I guess I was going to maybe get to this a little bit more later, but I do think that it’s a real catch 22 having uh such a large franchise spawn out of the private ownership. Um because I mean there’s obviously funding to be able to do additional research as a result of that of that notoriety, but I do think that oftent times with those larger shows that there’s maybe >> more or less a pressure to always try to find something or prove something. And uh that’s where it starts getting a little murky for me as far as the waters go. Um, so I I personally think it kind of hurts the reputation and like the I guess the overall credibility a little bit or it has the potential to if that makes sense because I mean you see this with a lot of other paranormal cases in general just depending on who’s presenting them what their intentions are and you know are they grifting or are they actually trying to get to what’s taking place there paranormal wise.
Yeah, I absolutely agree. And it’s hard for me for someone who, you know, works in the UFO space and the paranormal space and t taps into these stories that are really unreported because I also am a television producer. You know, that’s how I I’m here. Like I’ve produced television for decades and I know how that works. And then it it hurts to think like are we turning this into like a ghost hunters or a finding Bigfoot when you’re just watching and you’re just like wait did they actually find something or did they produce that?
because I also know what the pressure is to produce something or put on a good show or you’re not going to get paid by the company who’s paying the development industry. Like, you know, you have to have an episode with a beginning, a middle, and an end. You’re here to entertain people. It is entertainment when the ranch was originally not >> that. So, >> right, >> it’s it’s hard because we don’t even know where the data is is really because if you want to look at what’s happening at the ranch now, you know, we know that we know that Brandon Fugle owns it and he has said publicly before. He said it to my friend Ross Colter on Reality Check, our NewsNation show. To him, he was like, you know, they asked me for a year or so to do the television show and I said no, and I said no. And then finally, he said yes. So to me there seems like there was some pressure there. But >> there’s also so many secrets still and the secrets go back to, you know, not just Fugle, but also Robert Robert Bigalow when he owned the ranch. And right now on X, there’s like um a really awesome like high school girl fight going on.
>> I saw that. [laughter] >> And I I I’ll just give like the cliff notes of it and show some of the tweets and people can go themselves. Yeah.
>> Um it’s like I don’t I like hate this ex fighting but it’s also like I can’t who can look away you know. Yeah. You don’t want to get involved but you don’t necessar like you can’t necessarily look away right >> Cody. I won’t be putting my name on it but um but Brandon Fugle basically put on X the other day um that he you know I’m deeply involved in rigorous UAP field research and I expect them respect the new council but I have concerns. And then he went on to name some concerns with Abby Loe and Michael Shurmer. And then here we cut got Mick West who loves getting involved. Famous U f infamous UFO debunker I should say. And he’s saying he he’s saying I’m sure Lo and Shurmer and me would love to see such data, but Fugle refuses to release his which really weakens his arguments. And then Michael Shurmer hopping in you know got to get one more layer to it.
>> He’s saying agreed. Show us the data.
Brandon Fugle, what do you think he has that’s not being shown?
>> That’s the thing, man. I personally I have no idea. Uh it could be it could be a bunch of proof of all sorts of different phenomena that’s taking place there. Or it could be nothing. I mean, it could be a giant nothing burger.
Like, it’s one of those things where it could really go either way. Um, but I think by not presenting any said evidence that you claim that you have definitely weakens your presentation that you have such evidence. You know what I mean? Like you can’t really make a big deal about having a bunch of evidence and then not want to release it. Does that make sense?
>> Yeah, absolutely. But so the show is in season seven.
>> Mhm. Have we actually learned anything new or legitimate since then that we could use to say this is actual disclosure?
>> That’s the thing I personally I don’t know.
>> Yeah.
>> You know, I would I I don’t think any of us really truly know the answer to that, you know, like and is anything that’s presented on the show actually factual in the sense of it’s really taking place or is it just for entertainment purposes, you know?
>> Yeah. Cuz like you like I trust me I I have all the respect in the world for investigating the paranormal and I think integrity is exceptionally u important but I like you I love the entertainment side of it as well. You know cuz like like you said like I a lot of the the videos that I produce and the stories I tell and the way that I tell it is intended to be additionally scary. You know, >> there’s a side that like I try to more or less delve into that I try to encapsulate the experience that the people had and what they could have potentially been feeling, but there’s an entertainment layer to it as well.
>> But I I think you really have to have a profound respect for the actual integrity of, you know, what people have gone through and or experienced. And and here in particular, I mean, there’s a lot there’s a lot of things that people have said uh they’ve experienced. So, >> yeah. Well, let’s kind of get into that because it’s it’s vast, but a lot of it to me is like the timeline >> is kind of weird. So, the Meyers family >> owned it from 1934 to 1994.
So, that’s 60 years >> and you don’t hear anything, >> right? Like that. That’s a long time. 60 years is a long time for them to own a normal cattle ranch >> and there’s no reports. But also, I’m gonna take into respect the time. You know, they pro maybe they were experiencing something, but they were like, we wouldn’t say anything or there wasn’t an outlet to do that except >> that’s my thoughts. Exactly. You know, if they did experience something or anything at all that they definitely didn’t say anything to anybody.
>> Yeah. But but then this is where it doesn’t make sense. So that was 60 years.
>> So the next owners come in and they can’t even hack it for two. They the Sherman family moved in in 1994 >> and reports began immediately >> and they were extensive. Kind of tell us a little bit about the first incident that the Sherman family experienced.
>> So in a in a nutshell, they pretty much purchased the property uh in 1994 and almost as soon as they purchase it, like you said, the activity begins pretty much right away. And I believe the first encounter happened to uh Terry Sherman and basically there was a large wolflike creature that pretty much came up on them. U I don’t remember the all of the specifics to tell you the truth. I just know that they were starting to get moved in and uh get their livestock set up. But this large wolf uh or wolflike creature showed up and it was aggressive enough that Terry shot at it. you know, he was in fear not only for him and his family, but also for his livestock. And even after multiple shots, seeming having hit the animal, uh, it was unaffected. It basically was just staring at him and then just ended up running away. So, that in and of itself is weird, right? And it ties into so much more. I mean, there’s so much that has allegedly happened here that Oh my god. Like, I’m more than happy to unpack it all, but it’s a ton.
>> Yeah. No, we can definitely un unpack it, but I agree that the the the wolf incident was like the big like kicker offer and his his son was there as as well. Correct. I think >> Yes. Yes.
>> And they >> my memory serves me right.
>> Yeah. [laughter] Like not like not affected at all. Shot him multiple times, walked away. But then, you know, then we start seeing cattle mutilations.
Then we start seeing, you know, lights in the sky. Um the wife like locks on the doors and all these other really weird things going on.
uh like football field shaped triangles like coming down like you know your your classic stories but in every genre it’s like every kind of paranormal genre is like taking place in this one part so they couldn’t so two years later in 1996 this is when they sold it to Robert Bigalow but this is also where times are are different because the Meyers family you know we said that that was too early to tell people or like journalism wasn’t really touching it or where do you go to the media but when Bigalow wanted it in 1996. That was all thanks to George Knap and his reporting on the area. So, why do you think that the the Shermans were so vocal about, hey, this is this is crazy?
I mean, I I guess if I spent all that money buying such a large property and uh I moved on to said property thinking everything was going to be great and I started experiencing all of this crazy stuff. I mean, I can’t say that I would necessarily keep that to myself either.
Especially if I had so much invested, I would probably be trying to reach out and be like, “Hey, is there anybody that has experienced anything similar or knows anything about this that can help me?” you know, and it seemed like they just couldn’t >> like it was just apparently becoming way too much for them to handle and uh you know, yeah, obviously, you know, one thing led to another and there was a sale facilitated to Robert Bigalow of all people, which is he in and of itself, I can’t even talk. He in of himself is a very interesting character in the entire dynamic. Um, but yeah, I mean, like, if it was me, man, I I don’t know if I would have made it two years dealing with all of that. But I mean, at the same time, being fascinated by the paranormal, maybe I would, you know, maybe I would have wanted to investigate it myself. I don’t know. But when your family’s involved and it’s that like intimate of an experience with dealing with things that you can’t explain, I mean, I can’t necessarily say that I blame him at the same time, you know?
>> So, is this where the name Skinwalker Ranch comes in to play? Because it wasn’t always called that.
>> That’s what they say. So, I dug into that quite a bit and there’s no real evidence that it was ever called that before Robert Bigalow. Um, and then there’s a lot of different reasons they say that he named it that. You know, was it an homage to the native tribes that were there, albeit if you delve into the folklore, it’s very much like >> what you know, and I can get into what a skinw walker is as well. Absolutely.
Introduced it a little bit. Um, but basically, so to discuss skin walkers outside of the tribe is typically considered taboo. So like I just look at it from an educational standpoint. But the name that they actually have in the Navajo language, it translates to by means of it, it goes on all fours. And most people equate this to like a werewolf or a wolflike creature, which definitely would make a lot of sense in the in the case of the Shermans in particular. Uh, but a lot of that with that equating is also because of entertainment shows kind of like mistransating it and like putting emphasis on like a wolflike creature in and of itself. But basically, it’s a type of witch that gains supernatural power by violating like deep tribal taboss. So oftent times that’s the taking of a life of a family member or a loved one. And once that pact is sealed, the person then gains supernatural powers. And pretty much their entire MMO, so to speak, is considered the antithesis of like a medicine man uh or a healer. And it’s pretty much the antithesis of Navajo values in general.
But uh yeah, they’re they’re known for shapeshifting both into animals and other people. Pretty much to forward whatever nefarious task that they have in mind. And uh you know many believe that even speaking about them uh just in general whether by their native name or not um can put one in danger or put you uh on their radar. Uh so it it goes a little deeper as far as why it’s called Skinwalker Ranch or at least there’s kind of some like narratives behind it before Bigalow. Uh, so it’s not officially backed up um by the tribes because I was digging into that on my end as well. But >> pretty much what they’re saying is or the the story that’s out there is that the land where the ranch now sits is actually cursed due to the Navajo unleashing skin walkers upon the Hut tribes uh during various conflicts that they have. So they’re saying that that’s the reason for both the strange things that have happened there and why it’s called Skinwalker Ranch. But nah, the main the main reason the the one that we can prove is that it definitely started showing up after Robert Bigalow purchased the property. So yeah, whether it was an homage to native tribes or a fascination uh with the folklore or with what happened to Terry Sherman and him digging into that um finding something he could call it, you know, who knows for sure.
>> Yeah. Well, the name itself kind of encourages sensationalism.
>> It definitely does. Yeah. Um, I don’t know if that’s I mean, obviously the direct translation of the the Navajo word for them. It definitely uh it it doesn’t translate to skinwalker. So, how I I haven’t delved into the root name skinwalker itself, so I’m not totally sure where that comes from, but it uh yeah, it’s pretty it’s a pretty scary name for something for sure. Yeah, because other than the main incident that kind of kicked everything off when the Sherman family was moving in with the wolflike creature attacking some of their their cattle, I mean, the name Skinwalker [clears throat] Ranch doesn’t even really seem to fit the property with all the other things that are going on. Do you want to kind of dive us through some of the other sightings and paranormal activity, poss potential UFO sightings that are happening at this property?
>> Absolutely. So obviously you have I mean there’s various manifestations of the wolflike creatures, right? But that’s that’s not all that was seen there. You know, you mentioned um a wide variety of UFOs or or UAPs. Um they described craft of varying sizes and shape. So, you had like cigar- shaped craft, saucers, uh even massive mothership like crafts which were approximately the size of a football field, which uh man, I can’t even imagine seeing that in person. That would have been absolutely next level.
>> Um but they would also watch portals open in the sky above them and then watch these objects or or ships move in and out of them at like incredible speeds. Um they and I mean following up from what you said previously as well, they experienced cattle mutilations um which upon further study of those uh those corpses, they were seemingly butchered with surgical precision and upon a deeper look like the it seemed like they used laser tools and had some level of of anatomy knowledge that most do not have, right? Like the cuts were cauterized.
um the bodies were uh drained of blood when they were discovered and just like really weird stuff like that. Um there is kind of a funny side to the livestock situation though. Um livestock as well as items would disappear and then reappear in random places. So in one particular case they had cows that disappeared and were missing. I think it was for like two or three weeks and then they reappeared inside one of their barns. on the upper level like in the loft. So to imagine these massive animals all of a sudden appearing upstairs in a barn out of nowhere like it’s kind of like a comedian logistical nightmare, you know?
>> And and weren’t they like in like a translate like state too?
>> Yeah, they were like they were like dazed. Like they pro they had I mean if if they didn’t know how they got there like if the Shermans couldn’t figure out how they got in there, the cows definitely didn’t know how they got in there.
>> Yeah. It’s like it’s like one of the first scenes in the movie The Hangover when all the guys are waking up in the hotel stay and they’re like, “What?” [laughter] >> The hangover cow edition.
>> Yeah, that’s basically what was happening at Skinwalker Ranch.
>> No, 100%. Um, but yeah, there was further uh paranormal activity. I mean, in their home, they claimed that they saw portals open up in their home, various entities walk in and out of them. uh they constantly felt like they were watched or messed with or even stalked by something that they couldn’t see alongside, you know, all the other manifestations. And uh really a lot of what they experience is consistent with hauntings, you know. Yeah.
>> Which I I’ve covered many over the years. Um, but yeah, it’s uh it kind of ties there is a a connection as far as UAP phenomena, the paranormal, and even crypted sightings. And uh I’d be more than happy to dive into that a little bit, but that’s more of it’s more of a niche belief uh or niche belief, >> but it is uh yeah, it all ties into the occult. So there is a much deeper tie to all of it if that makes sense.
>> No, it it definitely does make sense because there’s also reports of the hitchhiker effect being so strong at skinwalker ranch that people who have gone there or not are not not even been there. I think it was like Bigalow’s wife as like was reporting like hey something’s following me around the house or like I feel someone walking on the ground next to me but like nobody’s home. So the hitchhiker effect is basically, you know, if you visit a paranormal site or something involved an area where UFO activity might be and then you leave, it comes home with you.
And I’ve actually had a long conversation with Ronnie Verete who is a Brazilian UAP researcher and he personally experienced this. he was out um in the Amazon researching and looking at orbs and UFOs and um objects and then he went home and he felt like he was being haunted and he was like I actually ended up going to church because I had to get this demon out of my life and it was so so scary and and so real. So yeah, there’s a a mass a massive layer that connects all of these things.
>> I think with the paranormal in general, but particularly with hauntings, it’s it’s interesting to see it cross over and have that connection made with the UAP um phenomena itself. But yeah, I know that going out in the field and having had some of the experiences that I’ve had, uh, you know, going to haunted places, it’s always a a valid concern that you don’t want to bring anything back with you that could could be there.
>> Is there something that you do to to stop that?
>> Uh, personally, uh, I think it really comes from having a strong faith in whatever you believe in. Uh I’m not a particularly super religious person, but I do consider myself pretty spiritual.
Uh I do kind of have a cleansing uh that I do. I I utilize uh sage and um palisanto oftentimes and I just try to be as cautious as humanly possible.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Well, that is I’m a scaredy-cat.
>> [laughter] >> So, um, so >> I’ll tell you this. After the last experience I had, um, which was at the Sally house, I have not gone back out.
It was that scary. So, what happened?
>> And that’s after years of going through I mean I So, I mean I a little bit about me. I grew up in two haunted houses. Um, I have some videos that that delve kind of more so into the nitty-gritty details of that, but uh, I started getting more or less into actually investigating the paranormal um, as an adult, probably around 2023. And yeah, like late 2025, uh me and a few of my colleagues, we went and I I had been to the Sally House another time previously and I didn’t really have a whole lot of activity that took place. And uh long story short, we we went back and uh those two people weren’t with me the first go around. I had other friends with me, but we went back and uh we weren’t getting a whole lot of activity. we were getting a little bit >> and uh I was a little bit more involved in the occult then and uh I had a friend that was very very involved in the occult and we decided to do basically what’s considered a conjuring ritual >> which you’re not supposed to do in most haunted places but >> yeah I think there’s actually a movie called like the conjuring >> there is yeah there is my my friend though he uh so he he’s just kind of like an adrenaline junkie in that way and He pretty much is just like all or nothing. And uh I was just like, you know, I want to further I was getting further and further in and I’m like I want to have more experiences and this and that. You know, you want to you kind of start living your content after a while, I guess. But but yeah, we we uh we did that ritual around I want to it had been around midnight.
>> And uh I tell you what, man. I don’t know if it’s anything that we brought forth from the firmament there or if it was dormant there cuz there’s a whole backstory to that, you know, whole case as well. But, uh, yeah, we had some of the most intense, if not the most intense, uh, paranormal activity I’ve ever seen in person. And I happened to be doing I I did two live streams. I did one before and one after. And I I didn’t mention that we did any kind of ceremonial magic in the house because it it’s technically against the rules, but I digress. Um we had we had some Yeah, they they have a list of rules at most places ironically when you book them.
They’re like don’t bring Ouija boards here. Uh don’t say and it’s like well [laughter] >> right. I mean like sue me, I guess. But [laughter] >> but yeah, we uh I could laugh about it now, man. But it it was it was terrifying. It was almost there were so many different things that were occurring. I mean like banging on walls, real-time responses with multiple devices, including spirit boxes. Uh my friend who the one who was more or less more involved than I was um saw a manifestation when he was secluded um in the room right next to us or so he claimed and he came out of the closet there which was in the master bedroom just full-on gushing blood out of his nose which like never happened. I mean we had like batteries explode in our spirit boxes. I mean, when I’m telling like I don’t I don’t get scared easily, especially at this point after doing years of in the field research and uh yeah, it scared me bad enough that I I haven’t gone back out.
>> So, uh yeah, I did a whole lot of cleansing >> like before and when I got back to my house. So, uh yeah, you definitely don’t want to bring anything home with you, especially something that you could have brought forth or something that’s already there. I mean, but yeah, that scared me bad enough. I uh I just prefer to uh study the occult now and not uh not get into the practicing aspect of it. So yeah.
>> Yeah. Wow. Yeah. And that actually when you experience something firsthand like that, it kind of is like a wakeup call of like what’s really going on here? But you said something really interesting.
You said maybe something could have been lying dormant there >> in the Sally house. And it kind of >> brings me back to Skinwalker Ranch >> of we were like, well, if the Meyers family owned it from 1934 to 1994 and we’re like, and there were no reports and the Sherman family moved in in 1994, >> maybe there was something dormant there and the Sherman family unknowingly triggered it.
>> It’s certainly a possibility. I mean, maybe it was something about whatever energy or something just about their their being in general that woke something up or they just so happened to one way or another do so. Uh, you know, I can’t imagine that they were conducting uh ceremonial magic upon the grounds, but I guess you never really know. Um, yeah, but it’s a, you know, one way or another, allegedly they encountered something there. But if the land really is cursed, then it could have been laying dormant. You know, you never know.
>> Yeah, absolutely. So, some of the paranormal claims I don’t want to get into a little bit like fact verse fiction. You know, we have under UFOs, we have orange spheres, silent craft, objects entering and leaving the mesa, the triangle. You know, my mind is immediately like that’s a portal. like we chatted about earlier. And then with the animals, we have the giant wolf, the cattle mutilations, the missing livestock. One debunker I saw said with the catam mutilations was that that cattle actually decompose faster than human bodies. So one of the misconceptions is is that they could look like that after being dead for just a short amount of time.
>> I mean that’s fair, but like within 24 hours oftent times. Yeah, I mean >> I it’s weird for sure and I’m I’m not an expert on cattle mutilation, so I just want to say that first and foremost, but >> yeah.
>> Um >> yeah, I mean it’s possible for sure. I mean, yeah, I don’t know the de the decomposition uh aspect of it. So yeah, I can imagine so. But either either way, man, they look pretty weird.
>> Yeah, absolutely. And then we have, you know, physical anomalies. There’s the radiation spikes and the GPS failures and the drone malfunctions. We see this a lot on the History Channel show, >> equipment, equipment shutdowns. A lot of this seems like what you’ve also exper you experienced personally inside the Sally house. And then, you know, we have we talked about the hitchhiker effect, headaches, disorientation, voices, shadow figures.
>> Um, so which of these stories do you think are true verse exaggerated when we’re looking at, hey, this is this could possibly happen. this is the data. This has happened other places. Whereas that like this was one guy with a wolf in in the forest and no one else was around.
>> Right. I I definitely get uh where you’re going with that. Um I guess if I had to really choose, I do think that there’s strong evidence showing that there’s UAP activity in the area for one reason or another. uh because it’s not it wasn’t just the Shermans or Bigalow or uh the NIDS or you know up until present day who’s experienced the UAP phenomena there. So there was actually a guy by the name of Junior Hicks who pretty much for 50 years prior to the arrival of the Shermans or roughly that time actually documented the UAP um phenomena in the area. So, uh, he was a retired school teacher and he, uh, I I believe he’s no longer with us, unfortunately, but he documented over about 500 different sightings and had photo evidence for most of them as well.
Um, if you d if you dive into his his side of the story, so to speak, um, he d he delves into a lot of local stories.
Um there’s even a sighting um that was said to take place at the school once and there was like a bunch of school children and teachers that saw a craft hovering uh in or around the school grounds. So I definitely think that there’s something to that uh why it’s a hot bed for that phenomena. It’s, you know, I I don’t have the answers there, but um I definitely think if I had to choose anything, I think that that that’s definitely there’s something going on with that. And with that oftent times comes, you know, crypted sightings, haunting like activity. So, I I do think that there’s strong evidence that it there could be a little bit of everything that actually occurred, but there’s definitely the most evidence for UAP sightings in my opinion.
>> Yeah. And then there’s that there’s data for that. If you’re documenting sightings and have [clears throat] pictures and videos, you know, we have people on our team here who can literally look at a photo and like backtrack it and like find exactly what it is. And like there was one time somebody sent us a photo and it to me I was like, “Oh my gosh, that’s like a really weird green light in the sky.” But it was like the street lamp from like the light the street over >> like the glare of it.
>> Yeah. It was like debunked in like literally five minutes. So like that’s possible if that data is available. But what I’m not understanding is, you know, Robert Bigalow >> allegedly has a ton of data that he walked away with that he doesn’t want to release. And that’s fine. That’s it’s his I mean NIDS is is his company. It’s a privately owned company that he made to investigate the ranch. But then you have also Brandon Fugle as we were talking about on top with the high school >> fight on X that he has a bunch of data.
What do you think are the security implications of not releasing that so we can actually get to the bottom of what’s going on because it seems like there’s some stuff happening in this area that could be a national security issue.
>> No, for sure. Um I was going to say with debunking. So, I think that it’s important to debunk as much as humanly possible with anything to do with the paranormal and really most things in general.
>> And it’s the 1% of things that you can’t debunk that kind of makes like the fascination all the more worthwhile, you know, um at least for for me and I’m sure many others. But uh with the with the whole data situation, I mean there there are a lot of claims from various scientists and and people who worked with um NIDS and uh there’s a lot of crazy claims that that many have made.
But I mean the official statement that pretty much came out of the organization was that they experienced some things.
They documented some anomalies, but that pretty much activity had winded down and they didn’t really find significant evidence or at least more so enough to present it to the scientific community.
So, did a bunch of people actually have experiences or was it just a little bit?
You know what I mean? Like, it just depends on how you look at it because I mean, yeah, Bigalow didn’t release the data. uh NIDS to my knowledge um with with him being the chairman of didn’t release the data and you know up until present day um with the current owner not really having released the data but as far as national security goes um if I was a government right and there was uh all this activity taking place in this particular area uh I definitely would have a concern andor fascination as to why and I think that if there are portals opening up to other portals, you know, like I like to imagine that, you know, the government has secret scientists there that are like ex, you know, like looking into the portals like Stranger Things style, trying to see if, you know, what’s on the other side or what’s coming through or, you know, maybe even some of those craft um craft have uh crashed on the 512 acres, you know, and they’re going to want to recover that, reverse engineer it. You know, there’s a lot of of obviously there’s a security risk with UAPs, you know, especially if the government claims they don’t know what they are, you know, as far as just self-preservation a as a nation, let let alone like militarily security speaking, like you don’t want to have another nation or, you know, god forbid, another type of creature have superiority over you as far as military uh weaponry goes.
So, I I definitely think there’d be an interest there. I mean, I guess there’s v there’s various uh uh risks associated with it, you know, but yeah, I definitely think that they they would have a stake in that and and as far as the evidence goes, they they kind of did, you know, as far as how much they actually were involved, you know, you can’t really say for sure, but I mean, there is some evidence of some government involvement.
>> Yes. Yeah. And that’s another reason that like this kind of sucks is because it’s like a privately owned, privately operated company nids and then you know the government kind of gets involved. So it’s kind of like wait are you now you know giving us the information that you want us to have how can we trust the information that’s coming out of here and when it was NIDS I mean some of some massive names were involved you know Hal put off Jacques Falet just to name two massive names of scientists and and researchers in the UFO community so you know it’s serious.
>> Oh for sure. Then the government gets involved and it’s like, well, is this now a giant misinformation campaign? Is Skinwalker Ranch a giant misinformation campaign? Is there a television show about Skinwalker Ranch? because they’re trying to make it something like a Bigfoot or a Lochess monster. Um, you know, or, you know, a haunted, >> right, >> a mansion, you know, it’s like is are they trying to make it that when really there are legit scientific things here that we could be looking at, but we just don’t have the data. But also in my mind, like if I was a paranormal being and this was my portal that I was coming in and out of on the ranch and a TV crew showed up, I sure wouldn’t be coming through the portal.
>> No. Or I’d be extremely aggro.
[laughter] >> Yeah, exactly.
>> Or if you or if that’s the only portal, then yeah, I’m I’m definitely not coming through. Or I’m opening up another one somewhere else, you know, closing up shop and opening up somewhere else. But >> yeah.
>> Yeah, I mean there’s definitely a lot of evidence of a lot of different uh people being involved. So which lends credibility to there actually being something happening there. And uh yeah, is is the you know the show more or less to steer the perception of what could actually be taking place there into more of like the fictional entertainment realm in order to misinform people. I think that there’s definitely something something that could be said as far as that being a motivation. At least if I was a uh black ops off the books kind of government agency. I think that you know that would be a great way to be able to kind of more or less steer the attention away from what is actually taking place there by adding a layer of uh of doubt to the entire equation. So, do you think that the government could benefit from amplifying the mystery?
>> Uh, as far as the the show goes, absolutely. I mean, I’m not saying that the government like owns the History Channel and is bolstering that, but as far as having that entertainment >> slash doubtability, you know, I really think that they could. I do think we’re seeing more uh and you would probably know more more than I I you know I do delve into UAP from time to time but probably not nearly as much as other paranormal phenomena personally but >> uh I do think that there is a layer of doubtability to the entire situation and and you delving more so into UAPs more than me. Um, I do think that we’re seeing a lot more from official government institutions as far as disclosure goes, but I do think that there’s a lot of aspects of disclosure as a whole that they’re still not backing up or validating.
>> Um, that perhaps we already know. But uh but yeah, I mean I think especially considered the government’s track record if you want to look at it that way of not disclosing for so long that now that we are actually getting some acknowledgement that something is going on right from official government institutions that uh yeah they absolutely and this was I mean the show technically was kind of right around maybe a little bit before we really started getting like some bigger releases from like the Pentagon, you know, like the Pentagon footage so to speak >> and uh Yeah, I absolutely think that they could have benefited from it in the sense that they want to create doubt surrounding the narrative as a whole.
>> Do you see that in any of the other mysteries that you’ve investigated?
>> Oo, that’s a great question, too. Um, I think it really just depends on the magnitude of whatever is taking place. I mean, I I will say that there is more or less a narrative surrounding most major UAP sighting cases and the people that experience them that uh >> there’s more government involvement obviously with something like a UAP versus like let’s say like a haunting or a crypted sighting. Albeit there’s uh alleged stories of let’s say like the men in black coming to visit people who have seen things that they can’t explain and tell them not to talk about it.
>> Um I mean you could delve into even like the Mo Man Chronicles, right? That all kind of ties together as far as what I kind of mentioned earlier with it all being connected through the occult. I mean, a lot of different researchers and oultists just call it the phenomena or the manifestation of what is called the phenomena. And I mean, that goes all the way back. It’s got some deep roots, man.
It’s a whole other rabbit hole, but it ties into like Alistister Crowley um him allegedly making contact with uh with a uh extraterrestrial being named uh Liam.
Hopefully, I’m not mispronouncing that or misremembering, but I’m pretty sure that’s the name. And uh yeah, there’s just there’s so much to unpack with the whole thing, but I definitely think there’s more government involvement with UAPs in particular, but I do know for a fact there’s definitely some with with the crypted stories, too. But this is probably one of the bigger ones for sure.
>> That just screams to me that there’s something there, >> right?
>> You know, if the government wants to be so involved, there has to be something there, especially something that was privately owned and privately [clears throat] investigated. And then for them to want to get involved and sniff it out, it’s like, okay, well, now you want to control the narrative.
>> You’re the one who wants to say because if when you look at, you know, haunted haunted houses or or dolls and all these kinds of things. Oh, yeah. That’s those are but those are money-making opportunities for the local communities.
>> They absolutely are.
>> Especially now with paranormal tourism, which was frowned upon maybe up until the last 30, maybe 40 years at best.
>> Yeah. Yeah, >> because that it used to not be be a thing whatsoever, but I mean these days, yeah, I do think that it can very much work to an an attraction or local community’s benefit 100%.
>> Yeah, absolutely. I mean, who hasn’t wanted to do like the New Orleans graveyard tour or the towns the local >> I know I would. [laughter] >> I haven’t been to New Orleans yet, but one of these days, man, I would love for sure.
>> Yeah, I’m you’re on your way. And I like I just remember being a kid, I was in Key West. There’s like this doll and we did this whole Key West ghost tour and it ended with like you’re in this haunted place.
>> It was a girl. Oh my god. I don’t Annabelle maybe. I don’t want to forget her name because now I’m scared she’s going to come for me.
>> Like we were supposed to look at her.
>> It was so scary. But again, it’s like then you go buy the t-shirt, then you buy the postcard, then you’re like, I survived the Annabelle haunting, you know, all.
>> So, so to me, >> there’s a lot to be said with that, too.
But I do know I just the first doll I guess that came to my mind was Robert the doll because he’s very much associated with Key West. So I was like, “Oh snap.” I was like, “That’s a big That’s a story I delved into a good while back, too.” So >> maybe it is Robert. And now Robert’s coming for me. I’m sorry, Robert. I’m sorry if I forgot.
>> I swear I’m still scared of you, though.
The >> doll. Is it valid to say that? Is Robert actually haunted or is by everyone thinking that he’s haunted make him haunted? I mean, that gets into the whole sidetrack of like what are called toas or like thought forms and it all it all goes it all goes deep, man.
[laughter] >> Well, same with houses and everything else like it’s like are we making it haunted by thinking it’s haunted or is it actually haunted? you know.
>> Yeah. And that may be the case with something like this. Albeit there’s a lot more evidence that it’s not. But >> totally >> never know.
>> Yeah. Exactly. But then you see like I just don’t want you know Skinwalker Ranch to turn into that. I think I’m probably too late by raising raising the flag pole on it. But it’s like you can already buy the t-shirt and you can already go there and you know then it becomes to the masses like you know more of something laughable and entertainment based like a ghost hunter show >> versus what Robert Bigalow originally intended to buy it >> for.
>> Yeah. Because I I do think Bigalow was a true believer. I mean I don’t think that he would have thrown >> such a large amount of money at it if he didn’t really think that there was something there or if he didn’t see evidence or have an experience as something was going on. But I I absolutely agree um with paranormal tourism in general. I mean, like I said, you know, like we kind of agreed on, there is definitely a lot of benefit to the local community or even an attraction even a lot of like historical societies within those communities just depending on what it is. But at what point is making it an attraction lessen its seriousness or its integrity?
You know what I mean? like you cuz everyone who comes through to view like let’s say even a haunted object they don’t actually take it seriously and it does become a joke you know and it’s like well what’s taking place here might not actually be a joke and you should have some respect for what’s going on but >> a lot of people don’t look at it that way either you know >> well I do have some quotes I I agree with you Robert Biglo 100% a believer and he bought it because he was a believer and he wanted it to be scientifically studied for real but I have some quotes from him. This is in 2021. He said um this is an interview with George Knapp actually. I was very disturbed toward the end because of something that happened to some of the government people. Everybody took things home with them. I took things to my house. Things happened to my wife to me.
And then he also said um in 2017 to 60 minutes, quote, I am absolutely convinced when he was asked whether aliens exist. He also said, “You don’t have to go anywhere to find extraterrestrials.
It’s just right under people’s noses.” So, he he’s a firm believer, and I think that he’s just holding on to a lot of information because I don’t know if he thinks that the rest of the public actually cares or is as invested as he is. Um, and then you have Brandon Fuel coming in saying, “I bought it because I want answers.” when he said that to the History Channel, >> right? I Yeah, like I said, I do I do think Bigalow was very much a true believer and uh there definitely was government involvement with a subsidiary of his aerospace company and uh to what level, you know, is kind of it gets murky in that sense, but there definitely was some official involvement for sure. Um, but yeah, then it’s like, you know, and I obviously I don’t personally know these people. I can only go based off of what I’ve seen. But let’s say if you really did want answers, then why did you create an entire franchise? Was it to further fund said research or was it to your own benefit or both? You know, I think just transparency matters, you know? It’s like I actually care, but I also wanted to make money, you know? And like I think that’s fair, but at the same time it does uh muddy the waters a little bit.
>> Yeah, absolutely. So if you were writing a scientific paper on Skinwalker Ranch, what would make the cut?
Cody’s cut. What would Cody’s cut be?
>> Cody’s cut. Man, I wasn’t ready for that.
>> I just made that one up on the spot.
>> No, I know for sure you’re good. Um, I definitely think that there is a long history of some very strange happenings there. I do definitely think that something is going on. I think that there are UAPs manifesting for one reason or another. It seems to be a hotbed of that phenomena. And with that comes the deeper manifestation of the phenomena which is showing paranormal activity as well as uh the hitchhiker effect and maybe even uh humanoids or cryptids appearing. And uh I guess overall I I you know I’m always the kind of make your own conclusions uh kind of a person and I I always say that to everybody and I guess my conclusion on it is I definitely think that there was stuff going on and and to what level I can’t officially know. Uh you know I haven’t personally been there but uh I do think that just given everything that we’ve seen that there there’s something unbelievable going on there. And uh hey man, like the like the X-Files once said, you know, the truth is out there.
So >> who do you think’s had the biggest influence on this story? I mean, >> the the history is so rich and I think a lot of people would probably say Brandon Fugle, but now we have storytellers and podcasters and re researchers such as yourself who have delved so deep into it. So, who do you think has had the most influence on communicating what Skin Walker Ranch is to the general public?
>> The general public, I I mean I man I haven’t seen the numbers, but I would say probably uh uh Fugle’s TV show just on like on mass. But as far as kind of breaking the story, I mean that’s the thing. Like I want to name everybody like everybody had a, you know, had some kind of a a role to play, >> but I’d have to say as far as when it broke, probably >> Bigalow and uh probably George Knapp considering his reach as well and and his involvement.
>> Uh but yeah, as far as like on what on what scale we’re talking, I don’t know.
So pro probably Fugle overall >> uh Fugal, sorry if I mispronounced his name there. Um just on the sheer scale of exposure, >> but uh but yeah, prior to that um prior to the History Channel show, I’d have to say probably George Knap and uh and Robert Bigalow for sure.
>> I have a lot of respect for George Nap.
I do feel like he is somebody that we can trust because he is a journalist and he was, you know, doing the research and talking to the family involved and getting the story out there during a time when those stories were kind of faux and like a do not report and you know he got the attention of a billionaire um which kind of escalated this entire thing. So yeah, I mean his research is >> pretty incredible honestly. And I mean like u ufology um as it as it was called back in the day and and even the study of the paranormal or or the occult just depending on how you look at it. I mean these things were not as widespread as they are perhaps these days. You know they were very oftentimes secretive or laughed at, you know, or even frowned upon.
>> Yeah. Oh yeah.
>> Yeah. There there was a lot of trailblazers um to kind of more so I I guess just get the word out there and and several true believers. And I I really do think George Knap is one of those as well. You know, I think he’s been very I mean, he’s definitely made made a career, right, out of out of all the research and everything, but I really do think that he has a lot of integrity. Um at least from what I’ve seen, everything that he’s covered over the years that I’ve delved into. So, uh yeah, I have a lot of respect for him as well and a lot of other people. But since we’re dropping names, definitely George Knap for sure.
>> Yeah. Yeah. And I also think back in the day it was like if you see something that doesn’t align perfectly with religion, you are not to speak about it or your mom is going to >> Very taboo, man. Very taboo.
>> I say this all the time. I’m I’m a Christian and you know I have family members who always like stop doing that.
Why are you talking about that? And it’s like well you can do both. Like I can I can get in front of me and look at research and talk about different stories. I I was raised Catholic and I I do have a I’m not super religious now in the sense that I’m not like super by the book, but uh you know I I I guess I consider myself more or less like a spiritual theist, right? But uh uh my middle name is Michael and it was actually named after St. Michael and I know it’s more so a Catholic thing, but I do have a uh little statue here on my desk. So >> I love it.
>> He’s right next to the uh I’m wearing a Halo 2 shirt today. He’s right over here next to a beam sword light. So, >> got to do it right, man. But, uh I was going to say as far as name dropping too, not I didn’t mean to speak over you there, but I did also want to shout out the uh the late great Art Bell, which uh I think he definitely had a large role to play and kind of more or less >> popularizing um delving into these weird stories alongside so many others.
>> So, yeah.
>> All right. So, if you think the television show never existed, would Skinwalker Ranch be taken more seriously today?
>> I think so.
I I honestly do. I I think that it just adds such a degree of doubtability to the entire situation. Um, you know, like I said, there’s definitely a catch 22 depending on how you look at it, but overall I I think it uh it does more hurting than helping. Personally, >> yeah, Cody, that was one of the reasons why I really liked your channel and I really liked your video on Skinwalker Ranch because it was it was facts.
Here’s what we know. Here’s what’s been documented. Here’s the research that I’ve done. It was pretty straight to the point which um I I really appreciate.
But before um I let you go, I have two more questions. The first one is um I need to know what the animals are behind you.
>> What the animals are behind me? So I h I have a bunch.
>> Who is hanging out with us? [laughter] >> Okay, so the little guy on the left that you can see that’s floating around the white belly.
>> He looks like a little tortoillini.
>> Uh so that is uh he kind of doesn’t have like an official name. He’s a spiny.
>> He’s obviously tortoillini now.
>> Yeah. Oh yeah. Well, I mean it’s that it’s uh I I’ll get to that. He’s got all sorts of names, man. He’s a uh so he’s a soft shell turtle. We think he’s a spiny soft shell turtle. And uh yeah, he was he was a rescue and uh he basically he was uh caught by my my girlfriend’s brothers out at the lake along with uh some other uh injured turtles. So he he’s he’s a cute funny dude, man. He’s very active, but he’s chilling back there. Yeah, we call him uh soft shell uh soft taco man. Uh, Stinky. He’s got all sorts of names, dude.
>> I call him Torrellini.
>> Yes, I love that. [laughter] And then, uh, yeah, I have I have another turtle over here. She is, um, >> oh, man, she’s almost 15 years old now.
I’ve had her for a since I was uh, yeah, since I was 16. So, it’s kind of kind of a funny story how I got her. Uh, a friend of mine, his mom um, one day I just happened to be at his house. This was after school in high school and u I want to say probably like my sophomore year and she she was like, “Hey, I I need some help with something in my car.” So, we all like went out there and we’re like, “What’s going on?” She’s like, “There’s something in my car. I need I need help finding it.” And we’re like, “Well, what are you talking about?” And I just happened to be the one that popped her uh I don’t know if it was the glove box or the center console or what. And I see this tiny little lime green turtle. I mean, she was probably about the size of a 50 cent piece when I h when I first got her. And uh I I had owned like a lizard in the past, but I’d never owned a turtle. And I guess she was like, “All right, it’s your problem now.” And I’m like, “Right.” So I just have had her ever since. So she’s she’s seen it all, man.
>> Amazing. You know, my dog is 15 years old. So >> Oh my gosh. That’s incredible though.
>> Same as your turtle.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. She’s a red slider. And yeah, she’s uh I mean, you see the saw the little guy in the background. I swear she’s like 10 times his size. like get really big too eventually.
>> Is she mad that he’s around? Is she like what is this other turtle doing?
>> I actually think that so I I always have this joke that like because she’s like pretty much grown up in isolation that she’s like incredibly crazy. Like she’s [laughter] like straight jacket turtle.
I love her.
>> She she seems to uh I don’t know. She seems to more or less enjoy because I mean they like kind of interact like they look at each other and she’ll kind of like look at him like up on her like little basking rock and he just like starts flipping his flippers getting all crazy with it.
>> Oh wow.
>> So I think that they enjoy each other’s company. But uh yeah, that’s just two of of many. I mean gosh I’ve got I mean I I I do have a dog who’s semi semi famousamous. She’s actually the driving force of Mystery Archives. Uh her name’s Luna. She’s gonna be eight years old this year, which makes me feel super old. But she’s a half husky, half gray Pyrenees. The only reason she’s not >> I just told you my dog was 15 and you said my dog’s eight and I feel old. So, how do you think you’re making me feel?
>> I mean, like I I guess it’s just like the passage of time. And I’m just thinking of all the stuff that has changed and taken place since I got her and just how small and tiny she was. You know, she was a little like seal pup and now she’s just this big goofy goober, you know. But yeah, that’s like my spirit animal, man. Like her her and especially my my older turtle behind me, man. We’ve been through a lot together.
So, yeah, I love all my critters. I mean, I’ve got I guess without taking up too much more of your time, I mean, I’ve got like u we kind of have like a love the unloved policy in this house. So, like we really like like isopods. We have a few different species of uh isopods >> or not species, but like breeds of isopods. We have uh some uh uh African clawed frogs which are super cool. Um there’s little goobers that float around in in their aquarium. They’re super cool. We’ve got some dwarf ones of those, too. Uh some fish. We have some tetras that are uh right just out of frame there. And uh man, what else do I have? We we kind of combined critters, right, when me and my girlfriend got together. Uh gosh, we have It sounds like a lot, but they’re all like on like one like wall, right? for the most part.
>> Yeah. Yeah, they got their >> two tarantulas and uh >> which I never thought I would own a spider. Uh I was never a spider person, but uh yeah, they’re pretty docile to be honest. They don’t really do much, man.
They don’t really do much.
>> Um and it’s sounding like I am a straightup animal hoarder right now, [laughter] but >> No, no, no. Cody, you sound fine. Don’t worry. Yeah, we’ve got like a little uh man, he’s a um I’m trying to think of the term for him. He’s basically like a white dwarf lobster and uh >> Yeah. who has one one claw right now.
He’s growing the other one back because you already know.
>> And uh >> love the unloved. Yep.
>> Jesus, man. We have like two Well, we have one freshwater crab. He uh took the other one out, so [laughter] we were told they were they were able to cohabitate. They were not.
>> Um I think It’s amazing.
>> I I’ve got I’ve got two left. I think that’s them all, man. Cuz like I swear they just keep coming out of nowhere.
>> Wow.
>> I’ve got a Pac-Man frog named Gle uh after the smiling friends character.
He’s super cool. And uh last but not least, we have a corn snake named Cheese. I [laughter] think I think that’s everybody. Can’t leave anyone out. Oh, and the name after burgers, by the way. We have uh Whopper. Whopper Jr., uh, Little Mac, and then we had a Big Mac, but he passed away. We’ll probably get a Big Mac the second sometime soon.
>> Yeah, Big Mac, too. Yeah, >> Big Mac, too. You just got to keep got to keep it rolling, man.
>> Oh my gosh, that’s incredible.
>> Not to share literally every single facet of every animal I own. But there you go.
>> Nope. I love that. I’ve only my entire life only had rescue animals. Massive adopt shop person. I was always the kid who picked out the deformed pumpkin and the pumpkin patch because I felt bad for them. So, totally totally connect with you there.
>> For sure. These are a lot of work, man.
They are. But they’re worth it 100%.
>> Yeah. My um my other dog now people will see him and they’re like, “Oh my gosh, I cannot believe Toby um is not biting me.” And I’m like, “Yeah, well, he wants to, but [laughter] >> he has a thirst for blood just trust me.
Toby wants to get you.” >> Oh my gosh.
>> Send me a picture of Toby for sure.
>> Yeah, he’s awesome. I thank you so much for your time. What can we expect next on Mystery Archives? I know that you said that you had not been in the field for a while, but I’m pretty sure I stuck your YouTube page and you said that you were somewhere recently.
>> Yes. So, I I did do a visit very recently, like within the last week. Uh it wasn’t for it was basically like a half uh vacation, half working trip. So, it wasn’t just exclusively for anything paranormal. I did just happen to be able to tour it. But I did go to the famous Crescent Hotel in Eureka Springs, which has an incredible amount of history and all sorts of spooky stuff. And I was able to get access to room 218, which is pretty pretty notoriously haunted and has a has a couple different pretty crazy backstories to it. But, uh, yeah, there’s so much to unpack with that, but I’m going to be making a documentary video on that. And the next video that I haven’t even announced yet on my channel, which I’m sure it’ll be out by the time this interview drops, is uh going to be over the Hexom heads, which I don’t know if you know anything about that, but it’s uh it’s this is a pretty crazy story, too. So, pretty much these two heads got dug up in a garden in uh in England in Hexom and North umberland, and uh all sorts of crazy manifestations started happening around them. And they’re allegedly Celtic. They’re allegedly a hoax. a doctor of uh Celtic Celtic mythology uh saw basically the manifestation of a werewolf which is kind of ironic is given the topic of of today. Um, yeah, it’s going to it’s honestly I think the Hexom Heads video and probably the two or I can’t remember if it’s if it ended up being two or three hours, but basically the video I did on Alistister Crowley. I think those are probably my best works so far. So, I’m really excited to put these next couple ones out for sure.
>> Well, I cannot wait to see it. We will link to your channel in the description.
We will collaborate with you. Massive fan of your work. I am so thankful for your time today. Cody Richardson from Mystery Archives on Unreported. Thank you, Cody.
>> Thank you so very much. It’s been an honor.
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