There’s something under the mesa.
>> Yeah, there definitely is. Let’s see.
>> There’s something under the mesa. I mean, to be extracting material that is manufactured that’s engineered from hundreds of feet within the mesa.
>> Yeah. Heat heatresistant ceramic tiles.
>> Yeah. With electromagnetic signatures >> that are with electromagnetic signatures that seem to be self-reping at times with that look like maybe tiles that you would see on like a space shuttle or something.
>> Yeah. So that is under the mesa and you have these two bore holes and you keep hitting metal and you have exotic elements. You have europium and tallium down there and >> so what what is what is down there?
>> Well, it’s frustrating people all over the world right now. So we’ve got we have millions of viewers millions of enthusiasts that are quite frustrated because they want to see us blow up the mea and just get to it. And the reality is we we can’t do that. We have to con conduct this this effort like you would a medical biopsy, a very sensitive, delicate medical biopsy because you don’t want to destroy the very material that you hope to extract and be able to study. So imagine if there’s a Stargate within the mesa. If there’s some some advanced technology that is behind or involved with the phenomena that we’re seeing manifest above and below the property as above so below as the Masonic symbol on the property from ancient times seems to denote.
You don’t want to damage the very thing that you hope to unearth. if if it’s even if it’s a something as simple as a a a garage door opener equivalent to another dimension, >> right?
>> You know, why would you want to if
that’s ultimately what what lies within the mesa that we’re studying there on the ranch? We we want to be very careful. And so we’ve used the most advanced ground penetrating radar.
>> And what have you found?
>> There is material.
>> It’s six foot wide.
>> Well, there’s there’s actually There’s there’s both a debris field of material that does not fit that is um unusual that is not part of the natural uh part of the the landscape the soil composition that has been verified.
They’ve even said that there are voids.
It appears that there are voids uh within the mea uh which you know that’s what led us initially to do the ground penetrating radar studies on the mesa.
It wasn’t because we thought there was any exotic material. It was because there were rumors going back to the the Bigalow era and even before going back to the Meyers that there was a cave system that there were tunnels that there was something covered up that there had been a cover up relative to some type of underground structure. And so we thought, well, let’s debunk it. I mean, because part of our scientific effort is to chase down these claims and to to either validate them, see if there’s any truth to them or be able to dismiss it and move on to the next experiment, the next effort within our investigation. Well, we end up bringing in the experts in ground penetrating radar and they’re like, “Yeah, there’s something strange here in this region of the Mesa. There’s this unusual material and these voids.” So, what do we do? Well, we start boring. We start drilling. Well, every drilling expert, and I’m talking every one of them that we’ve brought out has had dramatic equipment malfunction. They’ve had their drill bits. I mean, these are these are some of the most impervious drill bits, uh, tungsten carbide steel that have been rendered completely damaged and unusable.
These gentlemen that are performing these drilling exercises, they do this all over the world. They go through solid granite. They go through mountains.
>> And you found a you found a nickel. I >> it has been one of the most baffling parts of our research. And then yeah, not not only are we extracting engineered material from hundreds of feet within the mesa, but we recently brought out a 1964 aged nickel, you know, that has patina on it that uh that was somehow deposited there, which are the archaeologist that we’ve had involved who is a credentialed archaeologist, his name is Chris Roberts, uh reminded us that it’s not uncommon at at surveys or archaeological dig sites that those professionals upon concluding that work or in the midst of it, they’ll they’ll drop a a coin, you know, with the current date in there just to to kind of mark their territory, if you will. So, we have the territory seemingly marked and then we pull up the aerial survey record of the ranch to try to see what was happening. Was there something going on? Was there someone disturbing the earth at that time? Is there any evidence? And do you probably do you remember what Dr. Taylor and Eric Bard found?
>> So, here’s all three of them beside each other.
>> And you can see that there’s a significant spot that it thinks is has been dithered or smoothed with some sort of filter in the 1969 image that’s not in the other images. the the photos were doctorred but specifically in this kind of teardrop shape which is where the material seems to be from the ground penetrating radar.
>> So well and and aerial record is largely void. It’s been deleted >> from strangely 1964 to 1969.
So the mystery deepens. I I will say every time we get answers >> we get more questions. Well, am I wrong that the subplot to all of this is that there is a UFO under the mesa at Skinwalker Ranch?
>> Uh, we’ll see.
>> I think definitionally, you know, UFO involves flying, but it’s kind of a UFO.
You got material of a different density spotted by ground penetrating radar. You have you have europium toarium metals found. Europium I believe was mentioned by David Grush as well in you know his own investigations.
>> I I talked to people who really did analyze the stuff from the real deal stuff and it’s super weird. It’s like heavy element um you know europium California stuff. It’s like in these atomic arrangements >> that make like no sense and this is through X-ray defraction. So you have that data point and then you have the fact this like as above so below. You have like the the blob and the you know this like almost like field above the thing.
>> Well we’ve we have what we call the bubble. We have the bubble. Yes.
>> We have this field over the the blob. I mean we did capture from multiple >> Mhm. cameras, >> a an unexplained mass >> that that was actually documented in tandem with the rockets being destroyed in some of those launches above the triangle. But you also have this field or what what many of my people have been referring to as as um the bubble that has been mapped using lidar and other platforms to to actually um maybe explain that the something going on. I it actually encompasses a big part of the property. It is you can call it a force field. Mhm.
>> You can call it, you know, a region of the property that has a sustained.
>> It’s a an invisible roughly spherical energy anomaly formally identified and named in season 6. Believed to extend both above and below ground and treated by the team as the likely unifying explanation for many previously separate phenomena, GPS failures, signal interference, instrument malfunctions.
Correct. you launch rockets at it and when it’ll it’ll bounce off the boundary of this sort of thing >> repeatedly. And that’s the thing with scientific investigation. You repeat the experiments to get repeated data and all of those collective data points that help us map this region and this field effect. It’s really baffling and and it does cause one to to question whether what is within you know whatever is within the mesa um you know it could be it could be the cause it could be involved with it.
>> It’s like you have a force field around this UFO object or something. That’s so >> well it seems to be a defense mechanism potentially because we’ve seen equipment destroyed. We’ve seen equipment malfunction and when we’re probing the bubble in this region, we see UAP. We see unidentified aerial phenomena appear almost as if on call almost like we’re being monitored or warned and then you have the the uh covert military >> surveillance. I mean, when you have Blackhawk helicopters, unmarked Blackhawk helicopters showing up in the middle of the night, the middle of an experiment during a time when you have a a NOTM, you have an notice to airmen that people shouldn’t be flying within the airspace, that we’re conducting experimental activity, and we have we have unknown craft that descend upon the property that are not transponding, that appear to be menacing, and not even the attorney general of the governor can get answers. That just compounds the mystery in my mind.
>> What do you think these unmarked helicopters are doing and who are they acting on behalf of?
>> I don’t know. I think it’s just it’s somehow being tasked, I believe, by some faction of the military-industrial complex, some entity or entities that are involved with these topics. Um, and I think that there’s a there’s a greater concern that has emerged. Even within months of us pulling this material out of our drill site on the mesa, all of a sudden an oil and gas company appears, >> ramrods permits through even with even with us filing notice filing notice that we are not in agreement with it that it it compromises our investigation. The county goes ahead in spite of our notice and our filing and grants them a permit right above our drill site, right on the border of my property. And they they descend on the property with millions of dollars worth of equipment and personnel. And they it is just the most reckless, aggressive effort.
Do you think there’s some I don’t think it’s coincidence.
>> Do you think there’s some cutout shell company or extension of some >> or they’re being used as a front?
>> Yeah.
>> For some diabolical effort to extract the same material that we are probing for or to compromise the nature of our investigation. And that’s what pisses me off. I’ll tell you what pisses me off the most over the course of the last year is after a decade >> of pouring the resources into this effort and having some of the leading scientists and engineers on the planet involved >> with documenting the reality. All of a sudden, right when we’re actually extract extracting hard evidence of engineered material that is out of place, out of time, all of a sudden, here comes some other third party enterprise right on top of us that proceeds to aggressively drill.
Um, and I I we have a legal action currently. I don’t know that we’ll prevail. I mean, we’ll I I just not only has it disrupted, you know, aspects of the investigation and our quiet enjoyment, but I think it is highly suspicious. It’s not coincidental. The the the adjacent property owner that leased this property to the north owns over a,000 acres. Why would they situate this operation on roughly the postage stamp the 10 acres that is literally closest right on my border and right there closest proximity to our drill site. So there’s there’s a lot of things that are going to come out in the weeks and months to come. I hope that will help us get some answers. But I I’ll tell you the plot thickens >> and it’s real. This is not We’re not making this up. We’re not sensationalizing anything. You just have to sit back and watch.
>> And there are too many disturbing things that are happening around our investigation. I still can’t get over the fact that there’s this force field around this object underground. And then so I know >> that’s like kind of blocking interference from, you know, rockets to signals >> to drones. We’ve even had fixedwing aircraft that actually document that there’s something that their their instruments >> their instruments >> go haywire. Even the helicopter, I mean, we’ve we’ve tasked the helicopter with performing some of these these I think pretty advanced surveys. And right there at the edge of the the bubble at the edge of this region there is this field there is this >> and that there’s a defense in the air and then there’s a defense on the ground where if you dig things seem to happen as well.
>> So it’s like this object I mean I don’t know like it’s this is like this is reality is crazier than fiction.
>> Yeah. It’s right out of some Stephen King novel.
>> It’s out of a Stephen King novel. And you know how this novel ends is like some pure of heart kid or something unlocks it. Like it’s like you have all these like military guys and like you know and like and then and then somebody somebody who’s just hless and like you know walks in and like unlocks the treasure or something. Who knows? It’s like the end of ET when they discover ET. They finally find ET and all of the >> the shadowy >> operatives come in.
>> Mhm.
>> And and descend on the property and and you know, you hope that there’s always going to be some positive outcome. I’m >> right now I’m I’m more determined.
>> I’m more inspired >> by the reality and the data that we have >> that we have collected that we’ve presented transparently to the public. I mean, we’ve allowed the public a peak behind the curtain. Yeah.
>> Like no other effort.
>> But it’s it’s interesting to me the the show is so good and it’s so transparent.
And then it’s interesting to me that, you know, I had Bob Lazar in here earlier and I was I think this didn’t make it into the cut cuz we we talked for a long time. Um and it was, you know, less relevant to his story. But we were t we talked about the show. when we were talking about you because I’m sure and now didn’t he get he bought Skinwalker Ranch right around that time too, right?
>> Bought Skinwalker Ranch around that time. Yeah.
>> And yeah, I think he was convinced that they’re all kind of connected.
>> And I was like the subplot the whole show is amazing and the subplot to it is that there is a UFO under the mesa. And I was like and I was like why don’t people make that explicit connection?
And you guys don’t necessarily do that.
You lead people maybe >> to that.
>> We’re led by the we’re led by the data, not an inherited narrative.
>> Yeah. Well, that’s cool.
>> That’s something that Eric Bard has been >> You could be more sensationalist than you are.
>> Oh, 10 times more if >> if this wasn’t grounded in absolute truth, >> which is my deal with the History Channel, >> which they have honored. I mean, I was only willing to do this series, to come out of the shadows and go public if it was all grounded in facts, in truth. Nothing can be manipulated, contrived, >> nothing can be fabricated relative to the docue series or not only my reputation but the reputation of all of the incredible people that are involved would be compromised and it’s not worth it. No amount of money, no amount of whatever notoriety or fame is ever worth compromising your reputation or your integrity.
>> No. And it’s like when you have people going to the hospital and get, you know, serious health adverse events. It’s like you’re you’re not faking any of this stuff. That’s >> ridiculous. That’s not for television. I mean, when Dragon is immediately act evacuating >> Yeah.
>> our caretaker >> from the site in the middle of an experiment because of a a cardiac episode. And that whole sequence of events plays out on camera because that’s my deal. That’s we’re we’re transparently allowing our investigation to be documented for months of the year >> and to be to to be televised. And >> some of it’s awkward. I mean, some of it isn’t perfect. Some of our experiments are inconclusive.
This is a human effort. But to see very real, disturbing things play out on camera, um, it’s it’s uh it’s sobering.
