I had a meeting here in Austin.
>> Okay.
>> Um a couple of years ago. Well, must be longer than that now. Uh with Tom Dong.
>> Yeah.
>> Chris Melon, Hal Putoff, Jacques Valet, all in the same room. For me, it was a thrill because I had never met Hal or Jacques before. And I had written about them.
>> Yeah.
>> In various places, but never actually sat in the same room. And Chris Melon, right, who I met for the first time. And we sat we were we spent the entire day here with masses of documents and papers and stuff and Tom was trying to get we had a a conference room arranged and all of us were trying to figure out what the hell was going on with the UFO thing and we have all these guys here together to brainstorm this. Right. Try brainstorming this with three guys who have NDAs and security clearances up the ass and they cannot talk to you about anything. Right? So now you’re in a room with them >> and you’re trying to weedle out of them >> something.
>> We got like read their eyes or whatever.
>> Yeah, exactly. You’re trying to look at body language. I mean, it’s like, you know, what are we doing here? Right.
>> And so we’re trying our best, you know, but they’re all very, you know, >> and we would get close to something and we get some good information. I would write scribbling like mad. I have all those notes, right? Just scribbling on the the notes of this thing. What are we talking about? What is this? Even some, you know, just little bits and pieces of extraneous information might be valuable. So, I write that down. What
color paper was it? I write that. So, we’re doing all of this and we’re spending the whole day there. I think Valet may have mentioned it even in his last latest book. Maybe he mentioned it in passing. [snorts] And, you know, we’re we’re trying to get to to the bottom of this thing. But what was really important were the things they did not say, could not say, and refused to say. So, we would ask a question about Skinwalker Ranch. That was the one that sticks out in my memory. We asked about something concerning Skinwalker Ranch and an appearance at Skinwalker Ranch and the equipment that was there picking up the the stuff, right? I think John Alexander writes about these things peripherally and other people do. We ask about it. They all got silent. They suddenly all stopped talking. Chris, Hal, Jacques said nothing. And then Hal finally looked around and said, “Well, we’d need a skiff for this one.” And that was all he had to say.
>> Skinwalker >> for Skinwalker.
>> Why?
>> And he wouldn’t say anything.
>> TV show for God’s sakes on the History Channel.
>> Yeah.
But Skinwalker Ranch became this thing.
We don’t It was Fight Club and suddenly we don’t talk about it, right? So that stunned me. I wrote I copied this said, “Oh my god, we can’t talk about skinwalker.” Not about skinwalker in general, but something very specific about skinwalker, right? About the the the equipment they were using and what they were what they were tracking and what they were what in what data they had collected, I think was how the conversation started and I think that’s where the the suddenly this everybody went quiet. So there was something happening at Skinwalker.
>> Any other notable omissions?
>> Nothing nothing particularly unnotable.
We would try to act ask ask blatant questions like you know how many how many captured you know spacecraft do you have how many saucers are there you know so they would just sort of look and shrug and kind of you know not answer it and then like we were not being serious or something we tried another attack we tried another attack we spent the whole day I’m talking we had lunch we kept on going we spent the whole day here in Austin doing exactly that and getting basically not very close >> except maybe for the impression that we all got that Tom and I definitely got and I think the impression they wanted us to get was that this was serious business.
This was not like idle curiosity on the part of the people in government or industry who were involved in this. This was something very serious that we were they were they were it was being taken very seriously by people who had very serious credentials and that the the security clearances for this information was stratospheric and that you you really and and kind of an indication as to how classifications work, you know, and how how difficult it is to penetrate certain types of classifications. like we’re we’re kind of think there’s secret, there’s top secret, not much else. But there’s a lot of of gray areas, right? And a lot of abuse of the classification system as well, but there’s just a lot of a lot of gray areas where this is concerned. And things can be classified just because, you know, person A tells person B and person B tells no one else. And that’s as far as it goes, right? So sometimes that’s is that’s the classification. You know, you can’t get unless you have the right words, the right clearances yourself. know the right things to say to the right people, you don’t get the right information. And the re the reverse of that, what that really means to me as a researcher myself is that they themselves don’t know what the hell is going on. If things are that classified, >> there’s only who knows then.
>> Then that means there’s a whole bunch of scientists and researchers who could be working on this problem on this problem who are not. You know, people that we need to be focused on this are not because they don’t have the clearances because they smoke dope when they were 17 maybe and can’t get the clearance, right? or whatever it is, whatever kind of weird cockamabi regulations they have for this or they can’t get fluttered every year, you know, with the lie detectors to determine, you know, did you do this, did you do that? I mean, the way they conduct clearance investigations, right, at CIA or any place else, it’s really tough to do, right? So then you got to go higher than that, higher than that, higher than that. You have to go need to know, right? So there’s need to know type of clearance. Are you need to know? Are you read in because you’re need to know? And it gets stolifying. So, at a certain point, you’ve got people who should be working on this who I’m sure are not working on it. And that’s the problem.
If they do know something, it ain’t much. I don’t think there is a lot that they know.
>> I think I think they have evidence, they don’t know what to do with it.
>> The the the blind men touching the elephant, I think, is a really good analogy. Touching different parts of an elephant. Their the left hand’s not talking to the right. It’s not coordinated. All of a sudden you have a multipolar world and tensions are rising and the impetus to figure out whatever is going on probably increases but simultaneously at the highest levels you can’t really admit >> right >> that you have no idea. It’s like the Havana syndrome stuff where it’s like they wouldn’t talk about it for the longest time because they didn’t really understand what was going on and I don’t think there was a great defense against it.
>> Um so >> well what do you do when you have somebody like you mentioned Jim Semiban, right?
>> Yeah. Jim Semivan comes out and blatantly openly talks about a kind of an abduction experience >> that he and his wife he and his wife had.
>> I mean, here’s somebody very high up at CIA at the time, >> right?
And this happens. What are the security implications?
>> Yeah.
>> Just stop right there. Just stop right there. Everybody listening, stop right there. A high ranking member of CIA is abducted by an alien.
>> Yeah.
>> Or has that experience.
>> And I think it was fairly traumatic. I think his very traumatic his wife had a >> and his wife had a traumatic >> particularly bad experience. Yeah.
>> What are the security implications of that?
>> Yeah, >> that’s the story he hasn’t told. I’m sure he will never tell. I mean, we know he was visited by people from the government, right? This he he pretty much is open about that. But then it dies. The story dies after that. What do you do? How do you handle that? What how do you write up your report? Who sees that report? Who acts on that report?
What are your recommendations based on that report? Think about it in terms of government. Think about it in terms of the intelligence agencies, the military.
How do you handle that information? What do you do if you’re in that position?
What do you do? How do you handle it?
>> Well, totally. And I think it’s a really tricky problem. You probably try to do what they did through to the stars academy where you try to let the thing out through like >> you do what you can media. You do what you can or whatever. You know, have you ever read the book Crypto’s Conundrum?
Are you familiar with that?
>> I I haven’t started it yet. Yeah, >> Lincoln is responsible. Yeah, he recommended it to me, too. It’s uh by Chase Brandon, who’s this that’s a pseudonym. He’s the CIA liaison to Hollywood.
>> And it’s remarkable because the only reason I bring it up is because you have this kind of committee that’s responsible for like timeline management, >> right? And it’s like these top kind of intel guys and I think it comes out of the OSS actually this committee and um these beings sort of paranormally show up to everybody on the committee like independently and coordinate them together in a way >> through like synchronicity engineering or something >> and you read books like that or childhood’s end by Arthur C. Clark >> and you you start to ask questions like around like if these things are happening at the highest levels of government, what are the coordination systems above the government itself that are like bringing these people together? Of course, you’re not going to want to disclose that any of that is happening if it is happening. And it all of a sudden you you you move from this conversation of like, oh, the government needs to disclose. It needs to disclose what it know like it knows everything to this way more nuanced interesting conversation where like the government’s full of people. Civilians are people.
You have just as much access to they, you know, maybe they have some, you know, they have like nuclear capabilities and the UFOs show up more there. They have aerospace stuff and so there are implications on UFOs for that.
But outside of like a couple of like asymmetric data points, they’re humans and you’re humans and uh the whatever these NHI are are like wielding all sorts of like power flying around their airspace with impunity there. And so you got to stop looking for like quote unquote big D disclosure. Like it’s not happening. Um, if anything, it’s like these pockets of knowledge and they’re probably learning from as much of the open- source stuff as like civilian researchers are. And at best, you have vital institutional substructures with some hermetic weird knowledge or something of the phenomena. But like, >> yeah, the idea that it’s like, you know, held on high is ridiculous. I 100% agree with that. That’s that’s the point we were trying to make in our our books and our presentations as well. you are the disclosure. You know, you are part of the disclosure.
To believe that if there’s NHI that they’re only going to talk to generals in the US government, >> right, >> or the president is come on.
>> Like they care about any of >> as if they know or care have any frame of reference for it at all, right?
>> Why would they? They’re attracted to all the troop movements for obvious reasons.
Weird shit’s going on. Let’s take a look. Right.
>> Yeah. seems like they’re attracted to that and then it seems like they’re attracted to people who achieve peak states of consciousness and you you have people like Bledsoe and stuff where like I I believe a lot of these stories and so but I think they’re thinking about criteria that are not the human criteria of status and achievement, you know, >> that’s the point we make in our books.
You know, we stop looking for this anthropomorphizing of the alien, right?
We’re giving them human qualities and human ideas. We think they must of course they’ll want to talk to the president. Why?
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> And of course there’s a contract. How is there a contract?
>> Yeah.
>> We can’t even discuss among ourselves and understand what we’re talking about.
How are we talking to an alien? You know how hard it is to translate to Chinese a business contract? I mean, you know, we can’t solve that problem yet, right?
There there’s there’s all kinds of of vagueness in between all all of our languages. We’re not comfortable with it. We’re not comfortable with each other’s, you know, skin color for crying out loud. We’re still fighting those fights after all these years. What if an NHI shows up?
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